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this is the first i have heard of this clown. but it is not funny, at all. Jesus teaches us to love. Love God, love our neighbor, even to love our enemy. the sad truth is that the people he claims to be a part of, are the ones he is damaging the most. Christians.
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Edited: Joking or not, please refrain from using this sort of speech.
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That sounds like fag-lover talk to me!

I know you are joking but that's a very offensive word to use at all.
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actually, true Christianity says we are to love the homosexual, but hate the act of homosexuality. this group calls themselves Baptists/Christians and yet they spread venom that is opposed to the teachings of the Bible. i wish the congregation would wake up to the truth, and leave this pit, en mass.
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actually, true Christianity says we are to love the homosexual, but hate the act of homosexuality. this group calls themselves Baptists/Christians and yet they spread venom that is opposed to the teachings of the Bible. i wish the congregation would wake up to the truth, and leave this pit, en mass.
Where in the bible does it say that? As far I as I know that bs phrase was only invented in the last century as a way to get out of being called bigots.
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1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders {current} 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. {past tense} But you were washed, you were sanctified {set apart}, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. {note: offenders are those continuing in the act of homosexuality unrepentantly, thus forsaking God. if they repent, they, like all types of sinners, will be saved. this is repentance, to stop the sinful act, turn away from it, and ask God for forgiveness.}

Ezekiel 20:27
27 "Therefore, son of man, speak to the people of Israel and say to them, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: In this also your fathers blasphemed me by forsaking me: {the definition of blaspheme.}

Matthew 12:31
31And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. {in the triune God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one in the same. the only unforgivable sin is forsaking God.}

and, a verse that you are probably familiar with:

John 3:16
16For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. {this means everybody, no exceptions, thus including homosexuals and all other sinners.}

{God loves all people, but He hates the unrepentant act of sin that causes the forsaking of Him, and eventually resulting in eternal seperation from Him.}

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
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I'm well aware of the biblical "arguments" against homosexuality, that's not what I was referring to. I was asking about the biblical origin of "love the sinner, hate the sin". While it may work when 5 year old misbehave or with theft, it does not work in this case. You can not separate the homosexuality from the person. It is who they are. They could not be anything else.

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They could not be anything else.
That is 100% not true. Thousands of people have been able to change and do the will of God.
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I'm well aware of the biblical "arguments" against homosexuality, that's not what I was referring to. I was asking about the biblical origin of "love the sinner, hate the sin". While it may work when 5 year old misbehave or with theft, it does not work in this case. You can not separate the homosexuality from the person. It is who they are. They could not be anything else.
since you are "aware of the Biblical "arguments" against homosexuality" (the action,) now all you need to do is understand the Biblical perspective on the homosexuals (the people) as sinners. everyone is a sinner. every sinner can be saved.
the origin of love the sinner, hate the sin is as old as the Bible itself. the words have not changed. maybe man's understanding has, i don't know. but the principle has always been there. in fact, since the Bible is the Word of God, and the revealing of God, one could argue that the principle actually outdates the Bible itself.
like AJ said, not being able to seperating the sin from the sinner (change) is just not true. verse 11, after identifying "homosexual offenders" (as well as drunks, prostitutes, and others) says "and such were some of you." obviously, this means that they changed their actions. you are saying that drunks will always be drunks, adulterers will always be adutlerers, prostitutes will always be prostitutes, etc... final thought.. if "they could not be anything else" is true, then you are agreeing with westboro church. God hates the action. if the sinner can't be seperated from the sin, then the sin will always seperate the sinner from God. and this seperation is what God hates. then "God hates fags 'homosexuals' would be the inevitable conclusion. and i think we all know that this is simply not true.
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