Smoking in Public

Obdurate · #21 03-07-08, 11:51 PM

I want to see some consistency in knoxbox's argument.

If you got such a problem with smoke invading your lungs, why aren't you protesting at factories that pump more pollution into the atmosphere than Bill O'Reilly?

And Danger wouldn't smoke right beside somebody if they couldn't stand it anyways. He doesn't use his freedom in a dick way...

Danger · #22 03-08-08, 12:04 AM

Like I said earlier, if you ask me nicely and for a specific reason, I'd be happy to move. If you have a young infant, cancer, or just plain can't stand the temptation because your a recent quitter, I'd have no problem with it.

But, if I'm in a smoking section in my restaurant and your in the non-smoking section, I'm sorry but I came here because I have the freedom to smoke in there. I'm not going to go somewhere else just to get yelled at by someone else. There are restaurants available that don't allow smoking at all.

Obdurate · #23 03-08-08, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Danger

Tare restaurants available that don't allow smoking at all.

There's the main problem. And most places seem to going that route. So what? The people who don't smoke are better than the people who do?

**knoxbox** · #24 03-08-08, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Danger

Actually you have no right to kick my ass. That was a terrible refute.

The point is, as long as I smoke where it is legal, you really can't do anything about it. Just take it as anything else that is legal.

But we are not arguing that. The point is, is it against my rights to be told not to smoke in a public park? Should I only be confined to my own house to smoke?

no i don't think you should be confined to your own home a designated area is fine... non smokers can steer clear of this... your own home if you live witha non smoker than no you shouldn't be able to smoke at home unless that person is fine with it.. or old enough to tell you they are or are not fine with it.. a child that isn't old enough to know better, then no you shouldn't smoke at home.

and i wasn't meaning i'd kick your ass if you were smoking in a designated area... im just saying... if you were anywhere and popped one out... then ya i'd have a issue with it.

**knoxbox** · #25 03-08-08, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Obdurate

There's the main problem. And most places seem to going that route. So what? The people who don't smoke are better than the people who do?

no non smokers are no better than smokers, but they should not invade on eachothers turf is more or less what im saying... a smoker has the right to smoke but it should not interfer with those that don't want to be around it... its just the smoking bothers more than just the smoker this is were the true issue lies... if it was something like poping a pill that doesn't hurt those around them then this would be different.

Danger · #26 03-08-08, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by knoxbox

no i don't think you should be confined to your own home a designated area is fine... non smokers can steer clear of this... your own home if you live witha non smoker than no you shouldn't be able to smoke at home unless that person is fine with it.. or old enough to tell you they are or are not fine with it.. a child that isn't old enough to know better, then no you shouldn't smoke at home.

and i wasn't meaning i'd kick your ass if you were smoking in a designated area... im just saying... if you were anywhere and popped one out... then ya i'd have a issue with it.

Would you consider a smoking section within a restaurant a designated area?

EDIT: Try to refrain from double-posting too. I honestly don't care, but its just part of forum etiquette not to. Just use the edit button

**knoxbox** · #27 03-08-08, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Danger

Would you consider a smoking section within a restaurant a designated area?

EDIT: Try to refrain from double-posting too. I honestly don't care, but its just part of forum etiquette not to. Just use the edit button

didn't realize i had i thought i did the multi quote thing hrm thats weird anyhow.. to late to edit it now...

aside from that, no i don't have a issue with a designated area in a restruant, however its illegal in my are to smoke in a restraunt unless it is a bar and only a bar. also i'd like to mention that a smoking section should be properly maintains with the correct kinda of exhaust fans to keep it form interfering with the non smokers, unless there is a complete wall between the sections not just one of those half walls.

grap6b · #28 03-08-08, 02:35 PM

Yes, in my opinion government should have the right to ban smoking in public. I am also a smoker but, I have no objection at all. Actually smoking in public can inspire children to do so. So, if government bans smoking in public, then we should have no problem.

indieover · #29 03-08-08, 03:33 PM

well for me smoking in park is just okay cause park is more spacious than those commerical places like bars and other closed public places like restaurants. at least on parts the you other people could stay some distance if they don't want to smell the smoke.

jol · #30 03-08-08, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Obdurate

The government has waged wars for many things that INVOLVED money (oil?). The arms manufacturers make millions upon millions of dollars thanks to war so they don't care about war either. Maybe it isn't just "money" they're run by but it's definitely personal gain of all forms.
And our countries is run by the same people that run EVERYTHING.
I'm generalizing, however, because there may be a couple people high up who are trying to do something good but there isn't enough of it.

Do you understand the pains the government and the media (which is the 4th branch of the government) have gone through to discredit things like anarchy, when anarchy is about organization and community, along other things. But there's no money to be made with anarchy.

It's not pessismism to not believe in the government. And I'm tired of people telling me that. The stuff I say and the stuff I do is motivated by love for my people, not money or power and that's what the government is built on.

And your view on guns: Wow. You really think that's why guns are allowed? Why does the army have more sophisticated weaponry than us then if our guns are to defend ourselves from them? We wouldn't put a dent in the army.
I don't buy into what you said at all, I'm just trying to find consistency in your argument.

As soon as I can find the zine... I'm going to post something really discouraging, to put it lightly, for you, if you're willing to read it.

People always say that the government wages war for monetary gain, for example, in Iraq. The thing is, why on earth would the government spend 6 trillion dollars on a war to drop gas prices from three to two dollars a gallon? I mean, even if gas was free, we'd still be losing money. I don't even think that we've spent six trillion dollars on gas in the last 50 years! And also, hydrogen power and cars are going to be available by 2012. Our leaders would have to be some pretty big idiots to not figure that out.

I see the media as the governments regulator. If the media was the "4th branch", as you call it, then why do so many politicians want to avoid it?

If the military's weaponry is so sophisticated, why are we still losing men in Iraq to a bunch of unorganized, street terrorists? A gun is a gun, it doesn't matter how powerful it is if you're going to shoot someone with it. It isn't going to matter whether you get shot with a handgun or a shotgun, you're pretty much out of action either way. Take 100 million people with guns and pit them against 100,000 of the most elite military figures, and the people will win.

Definition of Anarchy: a state of lawlessness and disorder (usually resulting from a failure of government)

I believe that without government, things turn to either pure capitalism or pure chaos, and I'm sure that we don't want either of those. Pure capitalism is unfiltered Darwinism, and pure chaos, while it doesn't necessarily lead to fighting or conflict, means no power, no transport, no food, and no organizational structure for providing any of the basic necessities.

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