i did not know that Bill Gates didnt have a college education, but thats proof that a piece of paper from a University doesn't always mean you're intelligent

wait, sorry, I guess my teacher was wrong. He left college in his Junior year. So he didn't have a full college education. But that shows again, what do teachers know.

guess i should get my facts straight before i go saying stuff. I blame my teacher who told us that

Okay, I'm back. Again.

Okay, make one, I'm not stopping you, but I want you to show me, or at least tell me about, a history account that was unbiased. Let's stick with answering my question first.

Bill Gates didn't go to school where humanism was enforced. He made millions with his own to hands and completely revolutionized the world.

You just called my opinion ignorance. That's not nice. You also called my opinion a problem, just because it's a problem in your view. Shows the hypocritical side of people. So my view differs, and you say it's "ignorance to everything". *cough* Humanism is basically acceptance of others and their views, right? Yes, we should indeed practice what we preach.

What i meant is that humanism will get you out of the "in the box" lifestyle.

I'm content with the biased material because i understand that it is biased and why it's biased. If one is unsatisfied, they can make the change themselves. Christianity, even in my school, a Roman Catholic one, isn't so biased. They have no problem speaking of the corruption in the Church in the past. They won't hide the fact that Christians were war-starting murderers. Of course, they wouldn't say "Christians were cold hearted bastards that tricked people into giving them money." because that would be revolting. They will, however, talk about how the church said "give money to the church and you go to heaven" and how the pope gathered the Christian an army to fight people that took "their" holy city. As for politics, can you truly believe in an unbiased approach when everyone has different views? And drugs... not familiar in the subject. As for philosophy, i don't know if it was biased before, but it isnt now.

Now, im not racist or sexist, but yeah, there will always be ignorant people, and it can never be completely erased.

Okay, either you interpreted that response wrong or I responded with little clarity. I'm guessing my clarity, so it's my fault. Well, you said that sexism and racism spawns in the environment that people grow up in. My response was basically saying "how do you suppose we fix that, make everyone live the same lifestyle and in the same environment?" So, hopefully that cleared something up. I didn't say we need hate, but I did say we need different views to grow. IF we agreed on everything, we wouldn't go to new heights and learn, and thus, develop as a community. That's what I meant.

kay-kay.

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If people want to make a difference in their life, and if they set their mind to it, they can pull themselves out of poverty. It's the will and state of mind that will get people somewhere. You can put a rich kid in a great school, but if he has no will to learn, he's dumber than the deprived child who "reads by candle light" and makes independent studies. There are people who are willing to teach and willing to learn anywhere in the world. If people had the will to teach, they will seek students. If people have the will to learn, even in poverty, they will seek someone to teach them.

Oh man, I'm done with the reply. Back to reading some manga...

Alright, my social studies teacher is living proof that school doesnt help everyone, he has a masters degree and still doesnt know where he is half the time.

VIRTUAL TRUTH COMMISSION this is a geocities site, and tho geocities is not a credible source every piece of information given on that site is cited with a reference from a credible source, so if you can pull yourself away from that manga, you should read up on some of that


...who cares about Bill Gates anyway? what does he have to do with this? he was pointless when you brought him up, then you're point about him was proven wrong and now we're talking about how his school didn't have humanism which is also irrelevent to the situation...forget Bill Gates

are you familiar with the definition of ignorance? it means lack of knowledge, it doesn't mean stupid, it means that you think you know more then you really do, you're just in the black in some areas, and i called it a problem because when you have a society who has been BRAIN WASHED into being ignorant, it becomes a problem


...thats the whole debate summed up...you're content in you're ways and don't want to look at another view point, as obvious in you're refusal to research the Free Masonry, which in case you weren't aware, all of our founding fathers were Masons

yea, i understand what you wanted to say but the way your worded left yourself open for that


thats true, in more ways then one, if people really want to make the change they can, but thats a perfect world...not reality, we've been BRAIN WASHED into being content, and you can be content and you can play the game, thats fine, im not telling you which way to think, im just presenting you with a new view point and asking you to look

It's awesome! Next week has a 1 hour special on the show I'm watching! Go people in Japan who are in charge of TV shows! Down with waiting for two weeks for an episode! Anyway, the suction on my vacuum is horrible, so it took longer than expected to clean the house. Here goes...

"This site is the endeavor of one person." <--- in small letters at bottom of page.
So it's an "invalid" source of history? And as for the manga comment, I think that was a joke. That's the problem when online, you can't get a tone. What was the point of that comment anyway?

I think somewhere in your second + third posts, in one of the paragraphs you said... "...i am saying that it needs a major overhaul"
we need more classes about Humanism," So I brought up Bill Gates to say, "He [Bill Gates] went through {school] and changed the world without this overhaul and without the classes on Humanism." Your first post said you didn't like the American education system, so that, plus the two mentioned before, is why I mentioned Bill Gates, a man who changed to world with an American education without an overhaul and classes on Humanism.

In your view, you think we are brainwashed. You believe that you're in the light, and my view is the proof of "brainwash." You believe society is brainwashed in schools. I don't. And then you're going to say something that's along the lines of "you're brainwashed."

Er, so because I didn't feel like researching Free Masonry means I don't want to look at another viewpoint? To tell you the truth, I didnt research Free Masonry because I was cleaning my room as I typed up my response. I didn't feel like opening another web page, but if a small action affected you with such greatness as that, then Hell, I'll look it up if it makes you believe that I'm not refusing to take things in a different view. And if I know something is biased, and I know that's not the whole story, then I'll go and look at another viewpoint if i'm interested. Do you expect me to look at a historical account and say "this is trash, it's biased."? I KNOW it's biased, so why make a change that will have no effect? This is like...
"What's 2 plus 2?"
"4!"
"No, it's 4! Ha!"
If one already holds knowledge, why tell them again?

So people can make the difference. And by "we" you mean us? And we both agree that if someone wants something that badly, they will get it.. school and society made us content with what ? Life? The education system? The biased historical accounts? I'll edit this, I need to go back a page, and if I do, I lose my stuff

God of War II is out! Ghost Recon 2 is out! Murder!

The only reason Bill Gates changed the world is because he had a will to. Education has nothing to do with this. He dropped out of college in his junior year. he didn't need education. And history will always be biased, because whoever is making the account will always bend the truth slightly to make themselves look better.

Hatchet is still doing his thing but I have to ask Joad two things for my own personal peace of mind:

How old are you? And why do you continue to insist that school is more important than it really is? Like me and Hatchet both said, we've learned more since we've been out than when we were there. My argument isn't that we don't need school (and neither is Hatchets), but you put way too much emphasis on it.

Obdurate, I'm saying school does not brainwash and that it doesn't need a major overhaul and more classes on humanism. That's what I'm debating on. That second question sounded like someone weary of a disagreement, btw. I'm not saying school is God or anything like that. I'm emphasizing that it doesn't brainwash and we don't need classes on humanism, I'm not saying it's the most important part of your life. And apparently, the argument extended past that. It's good that you learned more out of school, and I'm not arguing that. I typed 4 long posts saying why school isnt brainwashing and why it doesn't need change, and, for the 4th or third time in this paragraph, I'm not saying that its so major..

*points up* It says the same thing like 4 times lollollol

Oh man, that was funny...

thats the whole problem with this "debate", im trying to bring new information to the table and you keep using the same 4 points

school doesn't do a damn thing...you can fail through you're whole K-12 career and get yourself a GED and it'll be the same damn thing, you can study 12 years or you can **** off and take one test and be equvilant...you may say, well you can't get into a good University with a GED, however as you already stated if you apply yourself enough and put your mind to it you can! you'd have to start at a community college or something and turn amazing grades but it is possible


Bill Gates changed the world, yes he did...but so did Timothy McVay...there are alot of ways you can influence the world


you tell me

do you see how you always say the same thing? again, Bill Gates is irrelevent to the situation, he's 1 out of 300 million

...works for me

thats exactly what it means, because you're actively participating in a debate in which you, no offense, are lacking information about and then refusing to obtain more information to help make a better judgement, so yes you could say that you don't want to look at another view point

have no effect? let me show you how you're little "script" should go

"2+2=4"
"No, it's 5"
"How?"
"Cuz thats what i told you"

one does not already hold all the knowledge, and for one to think that they are intellectually superior and can gain no more, is really the one who is lost...what im saying is that if you think you already know everything you know nothing, you have to always been in pursuit of more knowledge

all of the above, with our pathetic pointless lives, with our dead end 9 to 5's...we're content with what we have and don't strive for anything above and beyond, yes there are those who do go for it, but the majority of the population accepts their role that they are born into and dies in the same place they were born, if you dispute that fact then you're just a dreamer, and this contentness is whats killing our society, we roll over and take it...we're the most powerful nation in the world and this nation runs off the peoples voice, we have no voice right now wether you like it or not, and we need to stand up and have our voice heard again