You are actually lecturing me on contributing to death?? I'm doing a hell of a lot less damage than you are. WHen you stop eating animals, then lecture me all you want.

oh i'm a meat eater so i'm the bad guy, im just merely point out your flawed beliefs and thats all you can say?

this makes sense to me i snagged it from another place yahoo answers and its pretty much what i've been trying to say but in better words..

and im not talking about doing damage im just pointing out.. that its just not a valid reason to just eat plants because they are not "sentient"

Whatever your opinions on how they feel, you can't debate that less plants would die if you stopped eating animals. (a point you've repeatedly ignored). eat animals if you want, I don't really care. But lecturing me on killing things (based on very sketchy science btw) while you cause far far far more harm to plants than I is hypocritical. BTW What exactly is the flaw in my beliefs?


I admit defeat on the plant issue. I have been informed that Fern Gully is a scientifically based documentary and as such is irrefutable proof that plants have emotions. The lack of dead animals in the diet is the least harm you and I can do to them outside of becoming a breatharian.

its okay, go on pick the less of to evils if you want if that helps you to sleep at night to not eat animals fine, just point out the fact that plants even on a core level feel something, otherwise they wouldn't put off the chemicals they do to heal themselves and arguing the fact that they don't scream when you kill them is no reason to justify it being okay. I will eat what i want, cause its good, and i personally don't see anything wrong with killing things to survive. we are surrounded by all living things its all energy and is alive in one form or another. so even if you decided you were not going to eat plants but some chemical make up as an alternative the point still remains the same its alive at some core basic level.. which is energy. you have to eat to survive, so that is what we will all do. i'm not lecturing you on killing things im just pointing out your reasoning for not eating animals is flawed, you say you don't want to cause harm to living beings, but plants are also living beings... then you argue that plants are not sentient... prove to me without a shadow of a doubt that plants don't feel pain on some basic level only thing you can prove is that they don't feel pain like we do which is not to say that they don't feel pain at all. now my sketchy science doesn't prove for my side either, but like i said one way or the other is yet to be proven. I personally don't care what you eat or not, just saying your reasoning behind not eating meat, could be argued as reasoning to not eat plants.

And your reasoning makes you hypocritical. See my edit above!

Oh yea and keep in mind I don't eat meat because I find it disgusting. Always did.

Until we can just eat tube food or there's a harmless alternative, the current vegan diet is the least destructive diet there is. It's not about picking a lesser of evils to sleep better at night.

the only thing thats hypocritical about what i said is the fact that i eat meat... yet i'm arguing against your reasons for eating plants over animals... fact remains its the less of two evils... and thats what you will do, and thats fine. I'm most positive at some core level they feel pain in their own rights, is it a pain that you and I feel most certainly not, but does that make it any more ok?
it doesn't make you any better of a person than I because you choose not to eat meat.

my next question is, do you eat fish? cause apparently the common census on this is that fish do not feel pain. so is it ok to eat fish based on your reasoning to eat plants?

No I don't eat fish. Fish not feeling pain is only the consensus of ignorant people. I never said or implied that I was a better person than you for not eating meat. That is not my feelings at all. I've been much more thoughtful about discussing the plant issue with you than any veg I've ever met. If we do find absolute scientific that plants feel pain, we'll have to find an alternative. Hopefully by then test tube food will be perfected. Say you are correct and plants feel everything we do, just like animals. What do you propose to do about it? You've chosen to be an equal opportunity killer. I'm choosing to avoid as much death as possible. Why are we even talking about this?? Let's go back to arguing about hunting.

killing a plant isn't equivalent to killing a animal?
we need plants to survive without them we wouldn't have oxygen to breath. so how is it any less destructive to go a solid plant diet over animal one?

i guess your right we should all go to test tube food, cause killing a animal is killing a being... "sentient" but killing a plant is killing ourselves over time.