if you didnt want a kid you should have had no pertection then if u have an abortion thats just takin the easy way out of ur own mistake

And in response to relating it to killing animals for food and criminals in the death penalty: birth is natural. Human things live. Their lives are more important than the lives of animals, although I'm not saying animals do not deserve life. However, hunting is natural. We are omnivores, and it is our instinct to eat meat as well as vegetation. Other animals do it too. Criminals who murder should be killed as well. Although it isn't what you would call natural. They kill people. Why keep them around in a cell? Why let them eventually go? Why feed them? They should be put out of society. Also, with modern science and the amount of time it takes these days to actually carry out the sentence, we are pretty sure "whodunit." Anyway, I'm getting off track. There's another thread here for that. Anyway, abortion isn't natural, and the babies did not kill anyone. Also, just because it isn't considered alive in the womb doesn't mean it is not living. It still needs nutrients to survive, doesn't it? Does it not kick inside the womb? Whether that is voluntary or not does not matter. It is alive, and abortion makes them dead.

Keep this in mind: whether it be a rock or a grain of sand, in water, they both sink.
-Oldboy

Oh, and as what will probably be a final note (from me): even if the fetus is not alive, it could be. If a newborn were killed, people would be sad, but it's not like it really had time to learn and love life. Same with fetuses. They may not have all the brain functions, but they COULD have lives. Abstinence and contraceptives don't kill. They never make in the first place. Abortion kills.

Keep this in mind: whether it be a rock or a grain of sand, in water, they both sink.
-Oldboy

I just wanted to bring this thread up again as we are coming near to the anniversary again...

The fact is, abortion is wrong and immoral. There are approx. 3700 abortions in the US alone EACH DAY. That's 1.37 MILLION MURDERED BABIES IN THE US ALONE EVERY YEAR. Think about it...if abortion was illegal, we most probably would have cures for many more diseases than we do today. If you don't care about that, we would have lower taxes, too (just think about it). I believe that there is no just abortion. If you are pregnant, you should have the child, no matter the risk. If you don't want the baby, I'm fine with that. Just DON'T KILL IT! You can give it away autonomously at the steps of any fire or police station! There are literally PEOPLE WAITING IN LINE to adopt a child because they can't have one for themselves.

Here are some facts for you about abortion from Abortion Facts - Information on abortion you can use

• The heartbeat begins on the 21st day after conception.

• What about rape pregnancy? Pregnancy from rape is extremely rare. As reasons for legalizing abortion rape and incest are nothing more than emotional screens used by those profiting from abortion. But we must approach the victim of rape or incest with great compassion. The woman has been subjected to an ugly trauma, and she needs love, support and help. But she has been the victim of one violent act. Should we now ask her to be a party to a second violent act -that of abortion? Unquestionably, many would return the violence of killing an innocent baby for the violence of rape. But, before making this decision, remember that most of the trauma has already occurred. She has been raped. That trauma will live with her all her life. Furthermore, this girl did not report for help, but kept this to herself. For several weeks or months, she has thought of little else. Now, she has finally asked for help, has shared her upset, and should be in a supportive situation.
• What about the population boom? True, the population of the world is growing, but population is not much of a problem in the United States. With a birth every 8 seconds and a death every 11 seconds, the U.S. population is growing at less than one percent per year. (Census Bureau Home Page)
  
  Population growth or decline compares replacement of the current number of reproductive age individuals with the number of babies being born. By this measure, the United States is now in a sharp population decline.

Added poll.

He has showed you, O man, what is good.
And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God.
-Micah 6:8 NIV

I take the Jay & Silent Bob approach to abortion.

"You aren't protesters, are you?"
"What, you mean those fucks with all the signs and pictures of dead babies? Fuck no, man, me and Silent Bob are pro-choice. A woman's body's her own fuckin business."

"Lemme tell you somethin' you already know. The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a mean, ugly, nasty place. And I don't care how tough you are, it will beat you down to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it! You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard you hit. It's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward. How much you can take, and keep moving forward."
-Sylvester Stallone as Rocky Balboa, Rocky Balboa, 2006.

OK. A person has choices. What about the baby? Ask the damn baby if it never wants to be born. Once again, there's this magic thing called adoption that lets people take in babies and children whose parents could not take care of them. You don't have to be a devout Christian/Catholic. You don't have to also be against the death penalty or hunting (this includes killing an animal for meat). It's as simple as that there are better ways for parents who are unready to have a child to not have to take care of it. Pro-Choice and Government-has-no-right-to-decide is OK, but if there is a law legalizing abortion, the government already has stepped in and supported choice.

I know I'm caught in a vice here. I think people should be able to choose some things. I just don't like this particular choice. If a teenage mother who never told her parents she was pregnant and never went to the hospital to have the baby gives birth and breaks down and runs away with the baby and throws it in a dumpster, that's a bad choice. Should she have that right? It's her baby. Should she have the right to just throw it away and let it starve or freeze to death? Were there any better choices both for the baby and for herself?

These questions aren't rhetorical. Bad choice, bad consequences, and everybody will think that story is so sad, just like the mothers who jump off buildings with their babies. Abortion is a form of this, but we don't have to deal with seeing the death before our eyes. For me, at least, it's not about who the babies are and how their brains function and how much about life they understand. It's about who they might have become if they had lived, and to me abortion is almost as bad as murdering that person as an adult.

I hope people read this post even though it's pretty long.

And I hope we can get this thread rolling again. It definitely gives us something to talk about.

Keep this in mind: whether it be a rock or a grain of sand, in water, they both sink.
-Oldboy

THANK YOU! That is exactly what people need to realize. People SHOULD be able to choose MOST things, but if you are pregnant, you should have the baby! And like it has been said before - If you can't take care of it or JUST DON'T WANT IT, that is NO reason to abort the pregnancy and murder the baby. YOU CAN GIVE THE BABY AWAY FOR FREE WITH NO QUESTIONS ASKED and make a deserving couple happy.

The way I see it, the women who choose to abort their pregnancies and the doctors who do it are committing murder.

He has showed you, O man, what is good.
And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God.
-Micah 6:8 NIV

It's not just their bodies they are doing this with.

If you run over and kill a pregnant woman, you're committing two acts of manslaughter. Why two if the baby isn't alive?

Keep this in mind: whether it be a rock or a grain of sand, in water, they both sink.
-Oldboy

I think everyone of you who are eating meat are committing murder.

"Don't vote, it only encourages them."

Somebody else murdered the damn cows/pigs/bulls/chickens/&c./etc., and I've said before that that's a hell of a lot more natural than removing and destroying a fetus.

Although I know you're joking.

If you're not, you're strange. And Canadian. And I bet you're left-handed too. That's three strikes, Ob.

Keep this in mind: whether it be a rock or a grain of sand, in water, they both sink.
-Oldboy