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This is a discussion on Abortion within the Social Issues forums, part of the Debates & Discussion category; Originally Posted by Ich_Bin_Butler Well, I can sympathize with not wanting to have a baby and wondering if the baby ...

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Well, I can sympathize with not wanting to have a baby and wondering if the baby might have problems because its father might have had severe mental problems, but I really can't see a pregnant rape victim wanting an abortion because her son, if it's a boy, may become a rapist.
its not just that fact, but would you really want to see the mans face that raped you for the rest of your life in your rape baby? if you saw your attacker it'd be really traumatic and if you didn't you'd always wonder if thats what he looked like...

the reason i have this view, is cause the girl i used to date before i met my wife, she was a rape victim and she decided to go ahead and have the baby because she was agianst abortion, here mother ended up raising the baby for the first 2 years of his life, when the baby turned three she had another child legitimately this time. the little girl (legitimate one) is now 4 and her son (rape baby) is 7. she unknowningly treats them completely different. her and I both were watching a movie, and we heard the bedroom door shut to her sons room, upon entering the room we found him ontop of her little girl with her shirt pulled up...

I realize kids are curious and these things happen reguardless, but her in a fit of rage tells this 7 year old boy that she is disguested by him and that he is a rape baby... this causes the boy to go into a complete depression... he felts as though his own mother hated him.

its like it flipped a switch in his brain, he is a completely different kid... before he was outgoing and happy, now its quite the opposite. yes one could argue the fact that she should not have said what she said... and a "good mother" wouldn't have said something, but she is a young and new mother at that... yes he is 7 but parents don't just aquire the correct skills to raise a child. this is why i feel that rape or mental disease that end up pushing a person towards rape are passed down... genetically.

just how i see it...
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its not just that fact, but would you really want to see the mans face that raped you for the rest of your life in your rape baby? if you saw your attacker it'd be really traumatic and if you didn't you'd always wonder if thats what he looked like...

the reason i have this view, is cause the girl i used to date before i met my wife, she was a rape victim and she decided to go ahead and have the baby because she was agianst abortion, here mother ended up raising the baby for the first 2 years of his life, when the baby turned three she had another child legitimately this time. the little girl (legitimate one) is now 4 and her son (rape baby) is 7. she unknowningly treats them completely different. her and I both were watching a movie, and we heard the bedroom door shut to her sons room, upon entering the room we found him ontop of her little girl with her shirt pulled up...

I realize kids are curious and these things happen reguardless, but her in a fit of rage tells this 7 year old boy that she is disguested by him and that he is a rape baby... this causes the boy to go into a complete depression... he felts as though his own mother hated him.

its like it flipped a switch in his brain, he is a completely different kid... before he was outgoing and happy, now its quite the opposite. yes one could argue the fact that she should not have said what she said... and a "good mother" wouldn't have said something, but she is a young and new mother at that... yes he is 7 but parents don't just aquire the correct skills to raise a child. this is why i feel that rape or mental disease that end up pushing a person towards rape are passed down... genetically.

just how i see it...
What child wouldn't go into depression if their mother told them they were a rape baby. I'm all for honestly, but that's something you need to keep away from your child until they are old enough to actually be able to fully grasp what happened. Plus, you can't take favorites. Just not fair.
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What child wouldn't go into depression if their mother told them they were a rape baby. I'm all for honestly, but that's something you need to keep away from your child until they are old enough to actually be able to fully grasp what happened. Plus, you can't take favorites. Just not fair.
tried to explain that to her but she didn't want me telling her how to raise her kids etc... i never said i agreed with what she did...and i completely agree with you.
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tried to explain that to her but she didn't want me telling her how to raise her kids etc... i never said i agreed with what she did...and i completely agree with you.
Yea, thats a tough topic to discuss with someone. No matter how much you want to say something, she technically did nothing you can do anything about.
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Yea, thats a tough topic to discuss with someone. No matter how much you want to say something, she technically did nothing you can do anything about.
oh i know, i she constantly yelled at her kids... when i left her they wanted to leave with me... however thats not possible anyhow... just how some ppl are i guess.
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its not just that fact, but would you really want to see the mans face that raped you for the rest of your life in your rape baby? if you saw your attacker it'd be really traumatic and if you didn't you'd always wonder if thats what he looked like...
Yes, mothers are more apt to treat rape babies differently, but at the same time, seeing your attacker's face in it? You'd be scarred for life anyway, and probably see your attacker's face in just about every man you see for the next year. As AJ quoted, I think, before, aborting a baby brings along quite a lot of stress in addition to being raped, and having the child and raising it, although tough, is probably easier for most people.
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Abortion and morning-after pill are taking the place of contraception these days and in my opinion this is wrong. If you don't want to create a new life use some form of contraception and then you'll not need to end it.
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Yes, mothers are more apt to treat rape babies differently, but at the same time, seeing your attacker's face in it? You'd be scarred for life anyway, and probably see your attacker's face in just about every man you see for the next year. As AJ quoted, I think, before, aborting a baby brings along quite a lot of stress in addition to being raped, and having the child and raising it, although tough, is probably easier for most people.
Er, prolly about 18 years of raising a kid you didn't want, where you see the rapist in the child everyday, numerous fees that you may not be able to afford (hence why you didn't have a baby already), plus the baggage of rape, plus the pregnancy/birth, plus the child may not have a fair chance because his/her mother might hate him/her.

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The baggage of rape, the abortion and the aftermath baggage of it (which I'm assuming would be hard but not 18 years hard, but who knows?), and to please AJ, it's a sin. This goes along with the baggage but there's always the "what if?" factor.



I'm just not convinced. I've also known people who have had abortions. Really, they seemed hurt but not tragically so.

Of course, that summary up there is just a generic look at it. A lot of maybes and assumptions and I know that the second choice didn't have as much to it but I honestly couldn't think of that much. Feel free to add more. We can use it as a way to compare!
Some people might be able to have an abortion and not care, some might be completely devastated by it. Some people might love their rape baby regardless, etc.

Hence why I'm pro-choice. And not pro-abortion or pro-no abortion, oops, pro-life. Look at each scenario and make a choice then and there, don't live by set rules that can't change because you never know what life is going to throw at you.


Though I do agree with what lou-lou said. It's pretty disgusting when someone has an attitude of "oh, I can just use a pill or have an abortion." You could always try no sex, since birth control isn't 100% anyways, but I think it's wrong to deny people the act, which is why I sleep with everybody.

All this abortion talk has me feeling all randy, time to go play with myself.
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LMFAO! obdurate your the man! im with aj in the sense that its a sin, but i still think in certain circumstances like obdurate said its okay... well to me its okay...

i do agree with you though i knew a girl that would do that she'd use protection for so long with a guy and then just say screw it and the next morning get that pill which now can be bought over the counter at most pharmacies i believe. or a trip to your local free clinic.
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