Abortion

**ComputerDude** · #**201** 03-07-08, 08:15 PM

Aj, do you have all those verses memorized?

AJ · #**202** 03-07-08, 08:17 PM

No, I looked them up.

**knoxbox** · #**203** 03-07-08, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Obdurate

No it's not "harsher". The woman didn't ask to get raped. Women shouldn't have to go through something as difficult as pregnancy unless they WANT to. That's hell for them. Then they have the baby and they see the father in the baby. So you want to torture the mother more? Babies matter but the mother doesn't?
And I didn't say a baby HAS to be killed. See, that's a pro-lifer making a pro-choicer seem like a pro-death, er, er. I see what you're doing there, sunshine.

And computerdude, it's not the woman's fault she got raped either.
By the way, the baby will suffer eventually in its life, more than likely. What happens when the kid asks "who's my daddy?" And if the mother finds some other guy to act as the father, can the mother live dishonestly like that?

And now, some comedy while still fueling conversation:
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thanks you finally someone says what i was thinking.

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Originally Posted by Danger

How could rape possibly result in its own disease? I would understand if the raper had a disease already, such as AIDS, or something else, but rape does not cause its own specific disease. There's nothing to prove. If it did, that would mean all children are at risk for having a disease at birth, since rape (how sad it is) is pretty much the same mechanics as consensual sex (without the actual consent, of course).

do you think schytzofrenia (lol of my spelling) that is a disease... so why couldn't rape be a mental disease?

Medora · #**204** 03-08-08, 04:16 AM

I remember a quotation that said that abortion would be a sacrament if men gave birth. Since I read it, I continue to believe that may very well be the case.

Many years ago, I was against abortion except for "extreme" cases. As recently as 2004, I've even argued adamantly against abortion at my forum, in the thread "Controversy: Abortion." I've amended my views. Paul Tobin's "Abortion: A Secular Argument" is among the most persuasive articles I've read.

indieover · #**205** 03-08-08, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by knoxbox

do you think schytzofrenia (lol of my spelling) that is a disease... so why couldn't rape be a mental disease?

yes think rape is an abnormal behaviour and so we much really categorize those behaviour as mental disease too. cause i think they can't really stop their behaviour just like those mental disease patient.

mka12992 · #**206** 03-08-08, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by knoxbox

do you think schytzofrenia (lol of my spelling) that is a disease... so why couldn't rape be a mental disease?

Rape would not be a mental disease, Rape is an act, a verb. Paedophilia would be and possibly may be a/the disease. I am not sure if I believe this yet, but I have thought about it.

I think this was mentioned, but what should happen if one of the parents had an STD, such as HIV/AIDS? The baby would be better off not living through the hell of a disease like that.

**knoxbox** · #**207** 03-09-08, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mka12992

Rape would not be a mental disease, Rape is an act, a verb. Paedophilia would be and possibly may be a/the disease. I am not sure if I believe this yet, but I have thought about it.

I think this was mentioned, but what should happen if one of the parents had an STD, such as HIV/AIDS? The baby would be better off not living through the hell of a disease like that.

another good point... u'd basically have already killed the baby anyhow.

Danger · #**208** 03-09-08, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by knoxbox

do you think schytzofrenia (lol of my spelling) that is a disease... so why couldn't rape be a mental disease?

Because schizophrenia (lol spelled right

) is actually a diagnosed disease with a pre-determined way to support that person as they try to live their life with the burden of that disease.

Have you ever heard of someone diagnosed with a disease because they were the result of rape? It's unheard of. Rape is not a disease, no matter what you look at it. And when you mentioned it's in your genes, it's not. We have 23 pairs of Chromosomes, and none of them determine whether you were raped or not. I personally don't remember exactly what each one does, but I know for a fact that none of them have to do with rape.

@ Medora - Very interesting article. A little hard to understand, but I worked my way through it. Nice find.

**knoxbox** · #**209** 03-09-08, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Danger

Because schizophrenia (lol spelled right

) is actually a diagnosed disease with a pre-determined way to support that person as they try to live their life with the burden of that disease.

Have you ever heard of someone diagnosed with a disease because they were the result of rape? It's unheard of. Rape is not a disease, no matter what you look at it. And when you mentioned it's in your genes, it's not. We have 23 pairs of Chromosomes, and none of them determine whether you were raped or not. I personally don't remember exactly what each one does, but I know for a fact that none of them have to do with rape.

@ Medora - Very interesting article. A little hard to understand, but I worked my way through it. Nice find.

sure post dramatic stress disorder.

Ich_Bin_Butler · #**210** 03-10-08, 02:53 PM

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And computerdude, it's not the woman's fault she got raped either.
By the way, the baby will suffer eventually in its life, more than likely. What happens when the kid asks "who's my daddy?" And if the mother finds some other guy to act as the father, can the mother live dishonestly like that?

Not to be too argumentative over that, but I find that kids could easily accept that their father is a rapist and accept it as a young child, not understanding it, and move on with life. If they were teenagers before their mother actually told them, then yes: life would suck. And maybe once they figured it all out they would be pretty traumatized anyway, but on to the next point to make.

If perversion (which would result in rape) were a mental disease like schizophrenia and (potentially) pedophilia, I don't see how that means that the baby is less worthy of life because it may have such tendencies. It may mean that the baby, with the preexisting potential for perversion and the messed up childhood it may have, would be more apt to rape someone. I don't know. I just don't think the nature of rape should have an effect on whether or not a rape-baby should be aborted.

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