Abortion

**ComputerDude** · #**161** 02-25-08, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin.Robar

Ich, utopian society is a lie. Even the thought of a utopian society is a lie.

indieover, if you paid attention to more than just the last post above you, you'd see that the thread is still for the most part on-topic. Unless you're just running away from the argument, if so then cool but at least admit that's what you're doing.

Ich: "Imagine if your parents just aborted you. You wouldn't exist, would you? The good times and the bad times. Are you happy that you exist? Do you think that others shouldn't have the opportunity to exist after they came as far as becoming fetuses?"
^ I can respect that. And I know you love to debate, which is why you're one of the better members around this hole. But let's flip that coin. Imagine you're the mother -- you make a mistake, get pregnant, but abortion doesn't exist so you have the child. Every time you look at that child, even though it makes you feel like a terrible person, in the back of your mind that child reminds you of the mistake you made. Now imagine if you will a CONSTANT reminder of potentially the biggest mistake of your life, for the rest of your life you look at that child and have to be reminded of that mistake. Consider the emotional tole, the mental tole, that that takes on you. Now multiply that for the rest of your days. Shouldn't you have the OPTION to not have to put yourself through that? I know I sound like the bad guy, and it's so easy to make pro-choice people out to be the bad guy, and what I just said there IS ADMITTEDLY SELFISH. But I think it's a ridiculous proposition to take that OPTION away from people.

Justin, If a mother doesn't want there child, there are other options, like adoption, ya know, so then the mother gets the baby of her back, and out of her mind, at least she will know that her child is somewheres and not no wheres.

Justin.Robar · #**162** 02-25-08, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ComputerDude

Justin, If a mother doesn't want there child, there are other options, like adoption, ya know, so then the mother gets the baby of her back, and out of her mind, at least she will know that her child is somewheres and not no wheres.

Well yea I took that into consideration before. I noted that a lot of parents would rather die themselves than have the child and more than likely NOT KNOW where they are. Adoption in the U.S. is sometimes worse than death.

**ComputerDude** · #**163** 02-25-08, 10:29 PM

Hmm, never knew that, well if they do back ground checks on the people then maybe that wouldn't happen.

Ich_Bin_Butler · #**164** 02-26-08, 04:33 PM

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you make a mistake, get pregnant, and everything you said after that (yes, I'm putting something that I said into the quotes box)

I can respect that too. I know it is, as you said, selfish to think of only what it will be like for you, but the child itself will have to live with putting its mother through that and she probably wouldn't be a very good mother and would seem very detached. I guess most would rather keep the baby or abort it than give it away and have to wonder. Anyway, I still stand by my position.

And I'm sure they do background checks before making an unknown couple parents. But really, you don't have to have a record to be bad parents.

Although I think you might have meant that they could let the real parents stay in touch. But I don't think they want to stay in touch with a child who will be growing asking them why they gave him/her away. It'd be a while before they could really understand, and it would put a lot of emotional greef on the child and the parents. I'd say, anyway.

sigroid75 · #**165** 02-27-08, 03:05 AM

although there are more who are pro-life, there is only a small dispariety with the pro choice. i wonder though, does this poll speak of what the majority thinks? so more and more people now are pro choice? i wonder...(am thinking out loud)

indieover · #**166** 02-27-08, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by sigroid75

although there are more who are pro-life, there is only a small dispariety with the pro choice. i wonder though, does this poll speak of what the majority thinks? so more and more people now are pro choice? i wonder...(am thinking out loud)

why would people want to abort children. if they don't want to have children then just use contraceptives so that we will not have to kill those babies. favoring abortion or committing abortion will show the moral decline of a society.

Justin.Robar · #**167** 02-27-08, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by indieover

why would people want to abort children. if they don't want to have children then just use contraceptives so that we will not have to kill those babies. favoring abortion or committing abortion will show the moral decline of a society.

If you're just cluing in now that our society is going downhill, you're the last horse to cross the finish line.

You've highlighted a VERY crucial point in all this -- "why would people want to abort children". Who said anything about WANT? Nobody WANTS to abort a child. You are, with that little statement, condemning those who have abortions without any evidence of their situation. You're implying that people those who have abortions have this sadistic desire to kill their child, which is farthest from the truth in 99% of cases.

And contraceptives are not 100% reliable, unless you triple-wrap your cock and use a pound of spermicidal jelly. If you want to take all the feeling out of sex, be my guest.

Toren · #**168** 02-27-08, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by indieover

why would people want to abort children. if they don't want to have children then just use contraceptives so that we will not have to kill those babies. favoring abortion or committing abortion will show the moral decline of a society.

i think justin covered most.....but for the other things.....

drunken accidents and rape.......thats why someone may need to resort to an abortion.......

Ich_Bin_Butler · #**169** 02-28-08, 04:35 PM

Need to abort? There are always more options, even if the mother doesn't consider them good ones. If you give the right to abortion to rape victims and those who got drunk you have to, in turn, give it to everyone else. Pro-lifers are for the human rights of babies (or, more correctly [a lot more correctly]) fetuses. You can't say that they have human rights unless the mother didn't mean to have sex.

indieover · #**170** 02-28-08, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Toren

i think justin covered most.....but for the other things.....

drunken accidents and rape.......thats why someone may need to resort to an abortion.......

morally, for what ever reason a mother would abort a child except if it will pose risk on the life of the mother, aborting is really wrong and a big sin. well though we can't really blame those people who have done this.

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