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I'm certainly no expert on this, but, theoretically, evolution has a profound amount of evidence for it--enough for many reasonable people to consider the "theory" an actual truth.

The proposed "missing links" mentioned earlier are, from what I know, mostly false inferences. Many of the transitional forms included in the theory's support ( not to mention the genetic improbabilities for an alternative process) are ones which strongly appear to be remains of those which were involved in the evolutionary process. (obviously you're not likely to find anything "in the process")

Anyone not informed of scientific journal or progress information are those who make up the majority of those in disbelief of evolution.

But, cutting to the real issue, intellectually feeble religious convictions are the main problem. Too many are convinced that the Biblical God exists because it is so instinctively reasonable that He does, despite the lack of details specifying the Biblical God from some other possible "God". Thus, they tell themselves that since it is so obvious that the Biblical God exists, it is all too likely (more instinctive presumptions) that other things the Bible says is true are, well, in fact true. People are choosing strong emotions over that which is plainly true, most likely, from what I've observed, to not have to deal with the intellectual struggles they'll have with forming more objective, strongly-based views on those types of matters.

Evolution is an entirely reasonable view to hold--more so than any other--and more so with a "Big Bang" view of a cosmological beginning. (e.g the assumption that the world was created with a direct guiding hand with each individual object, and not simplistically and deterministically after the first amounts of particles and energy were created, is weak, baseless and certainly not reasonable. Also, the Biblical account of a "six day creation" is not necessarily an earth day is it? Afterall, I believe the means for deciding the length of an earth-day came in a different time from the earth itself. )
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Glad to have another member that atleast knows what their talking about in a way.
What do you mean "in a way"?
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Evolution explains structure, but not essence.
You can make a cell, but you can't make it live. That's a computer.
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What do you mean "in a way"?
Only meant it as a complement. He said he was no expert on the situation, and yet he gives a clear, concise opinion on the matter. Although I haven't seen him post again, I'm glad we are starting to attract other intelligent people to this site. I always love a good debate.
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Evolution explains structure, but not essence.
You can make a cell, but you can't make it live. That's a computer.
Evolution explains the process of taxonomic progress AFTER the formation of original life occurred. Evolution( more accurately perceived as "universal common descent") has never meant ( I say "meant" because some idiots have tried to make more of it than it's meta-physical restraints[ don't know how to spell "espistemology" correctly] allow it) to provide evidence for an entirely naturalistic cosmognical theory.

Really, it's an unfair, invalid assessment to make of it, and I propose it will most likely harm you in doing so.

I personally believe in a God--one who necessarily transcends known reality and has established objective moral laws--and I also feel at ease in believing this God caused the formation of life through physical forces/ processes.

The problem here seems to be that both sides spend too much time thinking of God in only the Biblical sense and not simply as a creating, guiding force. ( I think a divine "being" is a reach, personally.)
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A great deal of the problem with disagreements about evolution is wide varieties of definitions used. Evolution is a fact. Simply put it means "changes over time". No one can argue that living things change over time. That is evolution. Anyone ignorant enough to try to argue with that needs to go back to 8th grade science. Evolution as the explanation for the origin of life is a theory. It is not is a theory in the (incorrect) sense so many people use it, "an explanation for which there is no evidence" but a scientific theory, resulting from the application of the scientific method, is an explanation for a phenomenon or set of phenomena based on extensive evidence and testing. If you take away science, what do you have left? Unsubstantiated claims with no way of telling what is true or could be true.

Personally I think life was spontaneously generated (though exactly how I'm not sure) and had nothing to do with whatever "beings" happen to actually exist. Is it possible that there are beings/gods/"forces"? Yes but it's also possible that I'm living with an alien and a ghost. Until such time as there is more evidence or even more logical reasons to believe that, I'll stick with my science.
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Evolution explains structure, but not essence.
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Evolution explains how life has changed over time. Abiogenesis explains how life got started in the first place.
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Gilli, do you not conceive the necessity of a creating force behind existence?(not meant in a rhetorical, offensive way)
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If there needs to be a creating force for our existence then what are the origins of the creating force?
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Gilli, do you not conceive the necessity of a creating force behind existence?
The debate is whether or not god created the Earth and all life in it as-is or whether or not there was idle matter floating around that became the Earth and life sprung from organic molecules and proceeded over BILLIONS of years to what we see today. Maybe all matter and energy was created by something. Maybe it just always was. How can you tell? If something created it, how can you say that something was god? How could he have always been? What is he that he could just create matter from nothing (which goes against scientific law. I'm not challenging Christianity by saying that, it just occurred to me that if that law is true, matter really has always been). Maybe nothingness just got tired of not existing and committed suicide by becoming something and existing.
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