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I'm sorry. I couldn't watch more than the first minute of the first video. But I will criticize what I saw:

Firstly, he said that if you don't believe there is a god who created us all and gave us "purpose" then we are all worthless. Why? What makes us worthless? Just because we may not go somewhere when we die? What we do on this Earth still matters. It affects other people and people yet to be born. So what I got from his first minute of speech is that all we are on this Earth to do is prove to God that we are worth being in paradise so we spend an eternity there. Earth, then, becomes irrelevant. It's just a big test. No siree, nothing matters unless it is being weighed toward a final judgment.

I think you also posted one of his things "proving" god by saying that we would not be at this point in time if matter was around for an eternity, because it would not have reached this point in time. To that I say, "Then how did God ever reach the point in time that he did to create matter?" I don't like his logic. He makes a few points, but he is biased in his logic and actually proves nothing.

I think maybe I'll watch through them later then actually have a good foundation for any criticism. Or maybe I'll find that he's right, but that's a slim chance.
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From the sounds of it, I think I'm glad my sound card isn't working. Not being created by some being makes life much more meaningful, I think. It's not very interesting to be created to cure the boredom of some god-like being. It's amazing to be part of the chain that's resulted in such amazing diversity and balance.
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I feel like a broken record but life is what you make it. And this is coming from someone who believes in God.
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OK, he doesn't make the best introduction. But he makes a lot of valid points that you can't get from just 5 minutes of watching. Try to watch a little more.
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OK, he doesn't make the best introduction. But he makes a lot of valid points that you can't get from just 5 minutes of watching. Try to watch a little more.
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I heard he recently got banned for Islam hate videos.
Not to mention most of what he is talking about in his videos was directly stolen from Kent Hovind, the convicted fraudster.
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Where do you stand on evolution/creationism?
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I'm certainly no expert on this, but, theoretically, evolution has a profound amount of evidence for it--enough for many reasonable people to consider the "theory" an actual truth.

The proposed "missing links" mentioned earlier are, from what I know, mostly false inferences. Many of the transitional forms included in the theory's support ( not to mention the genetic improbabilities for an alternative process) are ones which strongly appear to be remains of those which were involved in the evolutionary process. (obviously you're not likely to find anything "in the process")

Anyone not informed of scientific journal or progress information are those who make up the majority of those in disbelief of evolution.

But, cutting to the real issue, intellectually feeble religious convictions are the main problem. Too many are convinced that the Biblical God exists because it is so instinctively reasonable that He does, despite the lack of details specifying the Biblical God from some other possible "God". Thus, they tell themselves that since it is so obvious that the Biblical God exists, it is all too likely (more instinctive presumptions) that other things the Bible says is true are, well, in fact true. People are choosing strong emotions over that which is plainly true, most likely, from what I've observed, to not have to deal with the intellectual struggles they'll have with forming more objective, strongly-based views on those types of matters.

Evolution is an entirely reasonable view to hold--more so than any other--and more so with a "Big Bang" view of a cosmological beginning. (e.g the assumption that the world was created with a direct guiding hand with each individual object, and not simplistically and deterministically after the first amounts of particles and energy were created, is weak, baseless and certainly not reasonable. Also, the Biblical account of a "six day creation" is not necessarily an earth day is it? Afterall, I believe the means for deciding the length of an earth-day came in a different time from the earth itself. )
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What about scientific creationism? Scientific creationism is not science, because special creation is not an explanation for life's origin, or a depiction of life's history, chosen because it best explains the evidence. Rather, it is an explanation and depiction chosen most frequently because it is consistent with Genesis. Nearly all creationists are religious fundamentalists and will continue to stand by their position regardless of whether or not the evidence supports it. If you think I am misrepresenting creationism, consider the following statements of two creationist organizations:

In their own words, "The Creation Research Society is a professional organization of trained scientists and interested laypersons who are firmly committed to scientific special creation.” To be firmly committed to an explanation for something in the face of overwhelming contradictory evidence, is not the scientific way! In fact, if an explanation for the origin of life were to come along, that better explained the evidence than evolution, then it would eventually replace evolution. This is how science works.

The Institute for Creation Research suggests that you, “Do use the Word of God (The Bible indicates that most of the fossils must have been buried in one year - the year of the Flood).” to determine the age of fossils. If this is all one needs to do, then why bother doing research? Creationist organizations do not conduct research in order to find an explanation for the origin of life (they have the Bible for that). Instead, they simply attempt to find ways to disprove evolution.
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