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If matter has always existed, then we should be able to create out of nothing.
I'm pretty sure theres a scientific rule (please don't badger me with God above science or anything, I'm just pointing this out) that you can't create and/or destroy matter.

But that was before we discovered nuclear power.
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Well just because it is a proven law doesn't mean it's true. Maybe we can. I'm sure Hatchet is already trying. Let's check back with him in ten years or so.
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Besides, the law of mass/energy conservation is really " it's inconceivable for anything to exist as a truly fundamental physical property/ object instead of matter and energy.", if you gave it thought.
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You know, one thing that these fundamental creationist never seem to mention and obviously have never thought about is....

If there is a super-advanced, super-intelligent being named God, who created human beings and who is shrouded in mystery. Why would you want to take the magic out of this ancient, spiritual creator and destroy the sanctity of his sacred gift ?

So you can prove to everyone your right and ruin the experience of figuring things out for everyone else?

You would probably also like for God to appear before you or go on T.V. and tell everyone your version of the truth.

And you mine as well tell all the children that Santa Claus doesnt exist either.

But on an evolutionary note.

Lucky for me these people wont be around too much longer.

They didnt evolve so they didnt survive.

Ahahhahahahhaa.....

The irony is astonishing.

Oh, but Im supposed to be compassionate and understanding towards these, people, who hated me and laughed at me and hurt my feelings and wanted me dead and destroyed our home, because they really didnt know, or care for that matter. So I have to cry and be sad.
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You know, one thing that these fundamental creationist never seem to mention and obviously have never thought about is....

If there is a super-advanced, super-intelligent being named God, who created human beings and who is shrouded in mystery. Why would you want to take the magic out of this ancient, spiritual creator and destroy the sanctity of his sacred gift ?

So you can prove to everyone your right and ruin the experience of figuring things out for everyone else?

You would probably also like for God to appear before you or go on T.V. and tell everyone your version of the truth.

And you mine as well tell all the children that Santa Claus doesnt exist either.
I'm not really sure of what you're asking/the point you're trying to make, so I can't really respond. Care to elaborate?
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I'm not really sure of what you're asking/the point you're trying to make, so I can't really respond. Care to elaborate?
Sure.

Quite often, Fundamental Creationist and Christians want so much to prove thier beliefs to others, especially in arguing against Evolution. They want more than anything so much for someone to just agree with them, and for their version to be accepted as the truth, but I feel that God is something you have to find on your own.

Its not something that should be taught along side or in place of Evolution, and doing so, would take the magic and mystery right out of the legend and sanctity of God.

I personally have beliefs and theorys about both ways.

Evolution is a scientific theory. In science, the word theory meaning--a general set of principles, supported by evidence.

God is not something that can be, should be or needs to be proven.
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Sure.

Quite often, Fundamental Creationist and Christians want so much to prove thier beliefs to others, especially in arguing against Evolution. They want more than anything so much for someone to just agree with them, and for their version to be accepted as the truth, but I feel that God is something you have to find on your own.

Its not something that should be taught along side or in place of Evolution, and doing so, would take the magic and mystery right out of the legend and sanctity of God.

I personally have beliefs and theorys about both ways.

Evolution is a scientific theory. In science, the word theory meaning--a general set of principles, supported by evidence.

God is not something that can be, should be or needs to be proven.
OK, I see what you're saying.

You're right--there are some "Christians" who just want to be right and have people agree with them; however, there are others who genuinely care for people's eternal lives and want to help them find God. It is possible to find God without help from anyone, but in today's society, it's going to be very difficult. I went to a Christian school and we were taught evolution, but then went back and disproved it using other evidence, and it was a really great system. I feel that they can both be taught in the same classroom and even at the same time. That's how I did it.
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Oh, I hear what your saying, but I really feel biology and natural science, and personal beliefs about God, are different sports in seperate arenas. Although as I mentioned before, the two eventually may be fused together, but if they were married, instead of just friends, before you know it we'd have people shooting for touchdowns and swinging for goals. Anyone can learn about something in a classroom, but there are some things one has to realize and understand on their own.

Im curious to know, how did you disprove evolution?

And I really feel that modern religion is a manifestation of society, reason being, after people are put through the meat grinder, they may need somewhere or something to turn to, even if it is nothing more than a belief.

~Hi I'm God and I made you this way because I wanted you to enjoy the human experience, instead of branching off and becoming a different species who seems to always end with sorrow and heartbreak. I have unimaginable powers of creation, communication, and understanding.

Im sorry if things didnt turn out the way you wanted them too, but things dont always go as planned.....

Keep going~
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Im curious to know, how did you disprove evolution?
I didn't mean evolution as a whole, sorry. Ahh, let's see. For example, I can remember we studied some fossil records and evolutionists use them to support their belief, but what we found is that the records line up perfectly with the Great Flood of Genesis. Another example that I can remember--evolutionists believe that protists are the first creatures, however, they are actually very advanced and have many of the features that more "modern" creatures have such as humans, and there are no intermediates. It just doesn't line up. If I think of more I'll let you know.

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And I really feel that modern religion is a manifestation of society, reason being, after people are put through the meat grinder, they may need somewhere or something to turn to, even if it is nothing more than a belief.

~Hi I'm God and I made you this way because I wanted you to enjoy the human experience, instead of branching off and becoming a different species who seems to always end with sorrow and heartbreak. I have unimaginable powers of creation, communication, and understanding.

Im sorry if things didnt turn out the way you wanted them too, but things dont always go as planned.....

Keep going~
The thing is that God has a perfect plan for each of us, but it is up to us if we choose to follow it completely, follow it partially, or ignore it.
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~Oh, I can assure you that evolution started long before I made you, and will continue long after....~

People tend to think of God as always helping people on an individual basis. I really feel that God already helped human beings as a whole, and there really wouldnt be any point if I did everything for you. Im sure your familiar with the saying, "Some of Gods greatest gifts are unanswered prayers, just because he doesnt answer, doesnt mean he doesnt care."

Its your choice, your on your own, thats why I gave you free will. If I would have wanted you to simply travel a specific path with no choice, I would have simply removed a few genes from your DNA and watched the play act itself out, and then there would be no point in your existence other than to serve for my own entertainment, and that would be a direct violation of my own rules of creation, but there are certain cases where, much like your species as a whole, there may be a better way for you that I could make happen through a sequence of events, and I tend to do better when I make a plan, opposed to just winging it. (Angel humor)

Just because I thought you would be happier as an artist or a teacher, rather than a shoe salesman,(no offense to shoe salesman, I guess someone has to be there to sell the shoes) but again, Im really, truly sorry if you would have been happier the other way.

And I hope you know that Im just figuratively speaking.....
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