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4th dimension is time. If you exist in 4 dimensions, you transcend time, and can move back and forth within it.
If God can exist in 4 dimensions how is it any less feasible that matter has always existed in some form?
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I believe in adaption, not evolution. I do not believe that adaption ever gets to the point of creating new species. If that were true, we'd be able to reproduce mules, but we can't.
Just pointing out that there was a case or two (I know one for a fact), where there was a fertile mule.

So it IS possible, we just haven't reached on how to actually make it happen more frequently than just every once in a while.
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Can something come from nothing?

It doesn't have to if it always existed.

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Your last sentence is not only one like an immature, inconsiderate child, but is necessarily wrong. Nothing can't "commit suicide" in any sense; it needs potential force to perform any action, removing the "nothingness" quality from it, making it something ( obviously, not-nothing is something).
Do I really have to tell you that wasn't a serious argument? It wasn't entirely a joke, but doesn't have anything to say about the topic. It's...ah nevermind.
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If God can exist in 4 dimensions how is it any less feasible that matter has always existed in some form?
That's bullcrap, baseless over-reductionism, Gilli, so don't buy into that. The only box you can pack God into, based off what we know is, God exists in forms we can't conceive. ( There's no reason to beleive God exists IN time or in dimensions we know of.)

Observable reality does exist in at least three dimensions( I'm not sure how "time" exactly relates to it. I need to consider that), so it is possible that it's fair to replace this type of existence with "reality" and not "God" exclusively.
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All I am trying to say is that there is no proof either way as to whether matter has always existed it can't be said to be impossible.
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There really is proof, just not in " Research and observation indicate"-type form.

It's simply a matter of " it exists, things that exist need an origin, unless dependent on reality"--which matter doesn't fit into.
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If matter has always existed, then we should be able to create out of nothing.
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If matter has always existed, then we should be able to create out of nothing.
Maybe we can, but we just haven't figured it out yet. Or maybe you're wrong and it always existed but no more can be created.
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If matter has always existed, then we should be able to create out of nothing.
Realistically? Probably, but matter can't, so let's move on.
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