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Old 06-24-09, 12:08 AM
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what would people think if a clone had emotions and desires like all other humans? aren't these the aspects of our soul? therefore, has a replica soul been created?


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Old 06-24-09, 12:33 AM
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I'd think a new soul would have been born and since the experiences of the "clone" would be different from that of the original then they would not be the same person.

what happens if your clone doesn't like who you are as an individual really a clone would be more like an identical twin.

I'd prefer not to have to deal with the ethical implications of cloning.

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Old 06-24-09, 04:02 PM
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What is the prospective lifespan of a clone ? Will he/she live a long normal life or suffer dismemberment.
I believe the latter.I agree with sraviik about ethical implications.
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Will he/she live a long normal life or suffer dismemberment.
Will they live a long time or have their heads cut off? What kind of question is that?

I think everything that we do and everything we come into contact with changes who we are in small ways. These experiences form who we are now, and who are a second later is just a little different. A clone would have our genes, but not our experiences, so it would be a different person. The frustration of being a clone could easily be a classic Hollywood case of evil-twin-ruining-your-reputation.

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Old 06-25-09, 05:21 PM
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What kind of question is that?


I used this in making a point of clones eventually falling apart at the seams. I do not believe these clones have all the molecular ingredients needed to survive.
There has to be something man cannot duplicate.
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Human cloning... When a person is cloned, they do not begin as an adult or a developed child - they start off as a collection of cells, a fetus, etc. A clone would follow the normal human development process. The clone would immediately be different from the start due to different stimuli and experiences. The mind is not cloned, meaning that they are essentially a clean slate but with the same genetic makeup.

Every action that occurs in our lives, whether we are aware of it or not, regardless of the size of the action, somehow impacts us from a physiological, psychological and general aspect. The original human being could be a catholic priest but the clone could witness one horrific event that leads him to become the next Jeffrey Dohmer. The possibilities are infinite.

So, to summarize - a clone would be the same from a genetic standpoint, and nothing more. They are not the same person, do not think the same things, do not feel what the other feels... these are simply misconceptions induced by science fiction and a general misunderstanding or misrepresentation of human cloning. Furthermore, I feel as though there is nothing unethical about having two genetically identical people. Human cloning should be legalized once it's a little more developed.

On another note, they wouldn't look identical either, because of the chance events that happen during development and the environmental impact on physical appearance.

If there is a soul, I'd like to know how it's transferred into a new born baby, but can't be transferred into a clone. A soul is far too illogical. If one is created during natural human creation, one would be just as easily made in natural human creation that is artificially induced. Unless we're saying that children born from say, artificial insemination are soul-less demons from the underworld.

There are no crazy problems that can occur where the person is a demon or a zombie or that they're exactly the same as the original and it incites a massive debate over which one is real and one ends up being shot at the top of a cliff by the unsuspecting mother who uses her intuition to find the true, good son. (Or however that goes.) There are no legitimate ethical complications that could arise from human cloning.

Finally, a clone would indeed have everything it needs to survive. It wouldn't begin to degrade after a few years and fall apart like a rusty old robot. In order to successfully clone a human more research needs to be done, and once it is then we can clone human beings without problems - but without the proper knowledge of how to do it exactly, it's possible to go wrong, which would only result in an unsuccessful attempt or the death of the clone.

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If there is a soul, I'd like to know how it's transferred into a new born baby, but can't be transferred into a clone. A soul is far too illogical. If one is created during natural human creation, one would be just as easily made in natural human creation that is artificially induced. Unless we're saying that children born from say, artificial insemination are soul-less demons from the underworld. (amazing)


i think our 'soul' is our evolutionized morals, principles, concept of self, feeling and teachings of right and wrong on a personal level, etc. all humans contain this and as Kovich has pointed out in this quote, a soul (under my terms) can exist under scientific conditions and circumstances!! Hail science. Obviously people are focused on the wrong reasons for anti-cloning in my opinion and of any concept, actually.

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Well, the unethical aspect of cloning would be the reason it is done. Why would we want to do it, outside of just to prove we can? We should be cloning individual organs and blood: that's a great idea. But we can't create human beings to be used as organ farms, or for the military (I acknowledge the Star Wars reference there). Who would want a clone, anyway, if by the time your clone is your age, you're already dead or really old?

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what about cloning blankslate into which people could "upload" themeselves before their bodies die. (double points startrek and stargate reference!)

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hmm i think cloning is bad. God already gave us the proper way to give new birth and i think that there is no good reason to clone. And about the soul issue, i think that none of us has the right answer but for my opinion, cloned creature has no soul.
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