well . i still believe that church should really have some influence over the state in positive way only.

Such as?

But when you define positive you'll find that our government has already outlawed murder, theft, and the like. The more specific things the Bible refers to as laws or rules might not be better either way for everyone. In other words, we can get along fine and dandy with basic and universal moral principles in our laws without tying ourselves to a religion that will effect our government in a positive way, which is to say that what the church finds positive as a law isn't necessarily better for a government.

That might have been a little run-on and confusing, but there have been worse looking posts out there.

Morality isn't a religious concept.

over making laws allowing immoral acts or making them legal. the church should have a say.

If christians get a say, so should buddhists and hindu and all native americans and wiccans and atheists and agnostic atheist buddhists. In other words, the entire population. Except in cases of basic human rights. Those should not be voted on.

Why is it right to impose your religious rules onto followers of other religions? If the only reason that something is immoral is because your religion says so, then just avoid doing that action yourself.

Which church?

What is wrong, or right, with the following?

Our Founding Fathers clearly meant religious faith to be an integral part of public life. Because of the foundation of faith they set for us, we have chaplains in the military, in Congress and in federal prisons. Artwork and inscriptions on our federal buildings in Washington speak of a Christian heritage, as do the prayers heard at the start of cabinet meetings, sessions of Congress and even a Secret Service detail's day
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If that doesn’t square with something you were taught about our government, it’s because you were taught incorrectly. The average man or woman will tell you the Constitution requires a separation of church and state. It has the ring of truth because it’s been repeated so often.

But it is false. The U.S. Constitution says nothing about the separation of church and state. In fact, the only national constitution that has ever intentionally separated church and state is that of the former failed Soviet Union.

King George had tried to force the English state church on the American colonies, so the men who wrote the Constitution and Bill of Rights wanted to make sure a state church could never be forced upon the people. That’s why the First Amendment reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion....”

Clearly, the Founding Fathers wanted the citizens and states to be as religious as they wanted to be. When the Founding Fathers were in power, they printed Bibles, called the nation to prayer and funded missionaries to the Indians. When he was president, George Washington addressed Dutch Reformed, Protestant Dutch, German Lutheran, United Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist, German Reformed, Episcopal, Congregational, Quaker, United Brethren, Universalist and Jewish meetings. The Presbyterian Church praised him as a "steady, uniform, avowed friend of the Christian religion." And during the administrations of all the early presidents, federal buildings in Washington were used as churches on Sundays.

--Rod Parsley (John McCain's “Spiritual Guide”)