Originally Posted by Winston Churchill

Originally Posted by Alexis de Tocqueville

Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.

Originally Posted by Cecil Palmer

Socialism is workable only in heaven where it isn't needed, and in hell where they've got it.

Originally Posted by Winston Churchill

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Originally Posted by Richard John Neuhaus

Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion.

Originally Posted by Thomas Sowell

The assumption that spending more of the taxpayer's money will make things better has survived all kinds of evidence that it has made things worse. The black family- which survived slavery, discrimination, poverty, wars and depressions- began to come apart as the federal government moved in with its well-financed programs to "help."

Originally Posted by Justin.Robar

Yeah, AJ, I'm afraid I just can't support you there, buddy.

You would rather support yourself than these supposed "low-life bums" who "don't do a damn". Consider WHY they don't have jobs. Are some people mooching off the welfare state? Of course. It seems to me to be pretty easy to get away with. BUT, a lot of people don't work because they can't.

Homeless people are, in a very real way, stuck. You can't work without social insurance. You can't get social insurance without a civic address. You can't get a civic address because you don't have the money to afford housing. You would HAVE the money if you could work, but you can't because you don't have social insurance. You see the circle there? If North America in general focussed more on providing housing for EVERYONE, EVERYONE could work.. and that stimulates the fuckin economy. 100% employment, folks. Bring it on. The above is completely untrue. Any homeless person can go to their local Sheriff's office and participate in their "homeless sweep" program. The Sheriff's office will get the homeless person a job and take care of everything.

The amount of money you make does not dictate how hard you work, AJ. Please please PLEASE don't ever make a claim like that again. It's foolish. In fact, delivery guys in general work their asses off, and I know it because I've been there. I actually have some more respect for Hatchet knowing that's what he does. I'm not at all saying you don't work hard, AJ, you probably earn what you make. But don't assume that because someone doesn't make as much money as you that they don't work just as hard or harder for it. Generally, the harder you work, the more you will get paid (it's called a promotion). But it's true - you can't just start working hard once you get a job and expect to be financially set. It's a process you have to start from the beginning. You have to do well in school, too to get into a good line of work where working hard WILL get you far. I guess I misstated myself.

Let's look at the Pledge of Allegiance for a moment, AJ, if you want to talk about the U.S.' founding fathers and what the country was built on.

"One nation, under God, indivisible, withliberty and justice for all."

I have no comment for this. You're using it out of context.

^ Is it just, what you're saying? Is it just to have that "every man for themselves" attitude? Is the "one nation" really indivisible if you want preferential treatment based on your fucking bank account? The U.S. isn't the land of opportunity. I really hate to burst your fucking bubble. The only way it's the land of opportunity is if you already have enough money to root yourself in the game. If you have NO money, you're fucked, and THAT'S what we need to alleviate.

The way to help others is to give them a fighting fucking chance. We're all in agreement about that. I think the path to that is raising taxes to provide SOCIALLY-FUNDED, LOW-INCOME HOUSING ON A WIDE SCALE. This is not saying that we support individuals forever. But this is saying that we do something to help people maintain working potential. The key to a better economy is right in front of us. And that goes for Canada as much as it does for the U.S. I just give thanks that we have a government that bites the bullet and provides for its citizens. Maybe not as much as it could, but I don't mind paying 15% on my milk instead of 5%. And neither should you. Suck it the fuck up and do the right thing for your fellow MAN.The way to a better economy is not to raise taxes. When you raise taxes, people feel like "Oh no, the government is raising taxes...that means more of my paycheck is gone, therefore I cannot afford to spend as much." Raising taxes is how the economy goes DOWN. When you lower taxes, people feel good and don't mind buying more. The economy takes care of itself this way.

Originally Posted by Hatchet

I AM A BUM BECAUSE I LIVE IN A STATE THAT HAS ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY NO JOBS!

Is that what you wanna hear? Do you wanna just ignore the fact that we do have poverty here in America? The people in poverty don't use they're money correctly, I'll agree. Our poor people are fat, in direct contrast to poor people around the world. But that also has to do with the way they're taught and raised. The education system has obviously broken down in inner cities, but fuck the inner cities right? I mean all those bums...geez...go get a job ya lazy bastard! Oh...wait...where are you gonna work in Detroit? Fast food or factory. Good luck finding a factory job right now. So..yea...fuck you if you're that rich. Wayne Buffet is one of the richest guys in the country, he pays a 17% income tax rate. His personal assistant, who makes around 60 grand, pays 30%. Is that fair? Is it fair that the people with the most money always get awarded for it?
You can still make a good living in fast food as a manager, and in a factory also. And I think you're referring to Warren Buffett..


Fuck the American dream.


I DO understand that. I've had crappy jobs my whole life. What the fuck does that have to do with how hard I work at em? Just because thats the best I can get right now doesn't make me worth any less then you. Fuck off if thats how you think.
I didn't say I was worth more than you...I never even mentioned anything like that. I did ask a question, though.

Originally Posted by AJ

I would rather provide for myself and my family than provide for LOW LIFE BUMS WHO DON'T DO A DAMN. If I work my ass off, why the hell would I want to be treated the same as someone who doesn't work at all?

Originally Posted by Hatchet

Nigga please. To believe in that statement is to believe the police are still here to SERVE. From what I've seen, the police are here to make money for the state now. Helping the homeless doesn't help get the state money. Plus, a good majority of the the homeless in America are homeless for a reason. A lot of them are Vietnam vets who aren't mentally capable of doing anything. And that is how they're country repays them. Casts them aside like trash.

Trust me on this one. It's real, and they do it all the time.

THE ECONOMY ISN'T REAL. The economy is fake. It's another game. The money isn't real, it has no worth. Therefore the economy that regulates all this fake money isn't real either. How long do you think it'll be before money is just digital and we're all just numbers? They're slowing coloring the money to get used to the idea of eliminating the greenbacks.

I did mean Warren Buffet, I apologize. But either way, fuck him. I'm not sure why, but that made me chuckle.


that's not saying you're better then other people? maybe you didn't directly state my name, but you sure as hell named my people. Especially with that low $7/hr comment. Fuck you man. I've made minimum wage my whole life. Why don't they raise minimum wage so that everyone can actually LIVE off it. Right now, if you make minimum wage, you're below the poverty rate. Yea sure, I can be a manager at McDonalds, how rewarding. But I'll have to put in my time and kiss a whole lotta ass..and sorry, I'm not into kissing corporate ass.


I've been working at this same fast food place for 2 years now. I've repeatedly asked if I could maybe manage at night, because I already know how to do everything, I just need to learn how to do the paper work. Well now one of the other managers is leaving for New York, did I get the job? No. This girl (who has management experience to her credit) got it, she's only been there about 6-8 months. What does that tell you about working your ass off? You need to kiss more ass then anything, and I'm not too keen on that idea.

Do you honestly think that I knew you actually made minimum wage? Well, I'm sorry if I offended you and I wish you luck with your job. And it's true, you do need to do a lot of hard work with a side of ass kissing to get anywhere.


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Ahh...taste the revolution.



you like commercialism AJ? cuz thats capitalism. We'll sell ya shit till we're blue in the face!

lol. I don't get paid to have that smile. If you want I can blur the pepsi logo for you.



QUOTES:

"Man is born free but everywhere is in chains."
Jean-Jacques Rosseau - socialist

"Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."
Karl Marx - socialist

"We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independant I am all for equality (equal rights, that is), but socialists take it too far (equal EVERYTHING). I don't think Jefferson was referring to the latter in this case, if that makes any sense at all...My head hurts. , that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these ends, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government shall become destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, & to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles & organising its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety & happiness."
Thomas Jefferson - influenced by socialists. Authored the Declaration of Independence.

"You know what capitalism is mang...gettin' FUCKED!"
Tony Montana - gangster