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Okay, on to the first reason. The look-alike of Jesus theory is offset by the fact that Thomas, a follower of Jesus and an apostle of Jesus, put his very fingers into the wounds of the nails (and the spear wound when the soldier made sure Jesus was dead). He doubted that Jesus would come back, but hey, it took a hell of a lot to convince him, probably the amount it would take to tell me God's not real, to make him believe that Jesus rose again.

For Moses, it's confirmed that the Jewish people escaped Egypt, but the proof of "parting of the sea" probably doesnt exist. So, you don't have to believe in parting the sea, but it's historically accurate that God's people escaped Egypt.

As far as Adam and Eve:
It never happened. I don't know if you read my previous posts, but Adam and Eve were part of a Creation account, i think the Yahwhist's account. Both creation stories were told to help people understand that God is the Ultimatum, that he created the universe and evolution (or adaptation, whichever you prefer to use.) So no, Cain and Abel, Adam and Eve, probably just a single family among many, or may not have existed after all.
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Some people wouldn't buy your "obviously Jesus and God exist(ed)" simply because it's not so obvious. Because what proof is there of God? It's not like we've found his bones.

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What accounts? Can you link me to a site that talks about 'em?
well we cant find bones because one isnt supposed to veiw god as a person they are supposed to veiw him as the force that created everything, and can be in any form, but to find bones someone would have to die, and god cant die, and these accounts are in the bible and there is a book, there are letters and multiple accounts in journals etc. from famous historians of the time talking about a man that christians worshipped "a miracle worker" however some do not say his name was Jesus, some just talk about the man Christians worship, and Christ wasnt his original last name, it was given to him by his followers and mean "messiah"
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Nothing more to contribute to it. I agree with you that this 7 days thing didn't happen and that God created things and it evolved from there. So it's been fun.

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That's exactly why I said God can't be proven. Because he can't die, etc. Therefore there will be no bones. And yeah, there are accounts but as I've said time and time again, written history can be twisted. Hell, even if there were bones, scientists studying it could make **** up. This is why you always have to question things and not just accept them, because let's face it, this miracle worker could have just been a magician or something similar for all we know.
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This is a very in depth debate. However, it all comes down to what you believe. there is evidence to support each side. Hell, I could say "There is no one god, but there IS a Braman (Hindu)," or somehting of the kind. Science, however, can easily help to disprove some of the older religions, such as that like ancient Egypt. They wanted an explanation for the sun, the moon, and death, and they created one. Christianity/Judyism/Muslim cannot be so easily disproved. We may rejoice, though, that we live in a time and age in which the research into the proof or disproof of religion does not get you persecuted as a heretic. Also, I am bothered by the assumption that people who do not believe in a god are Satanists. Belief in God= Belief in Satan. Disbelief in God= Disbelief in Satan. Butler out.
P.S. Guitar Addiction, Jews don't hate Jesus. JESUS WAS A JEW for Christ's sake (no pun intended).
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Just to clear things up... He probably said Jews hate Jesus because they killed him. Before you say anything too, 'cause I'm pretty sure you don't... Jesus did not violate Roman law, Pontius Pilate washed his hands of Jesus's blood. Jesus worked on the Sabbath by curing a leper, so working on Sabbath=violation of Jewish code.
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I just want to say that as Butler said, it all does come down to what you believe. I agree with what he said about religions such as the Ancient Egyptian ones being disproven, which leads to my point. The Ancient Egyptians created their religion to explain what they didn't know. I myself believe that religion is simply people's way to explain what they do not know, and also to calm their fears of what they do not know. So if you fear nothing, there is no reason for religion. People do not know what happens when you die, and I'm sure you will never know until it happens. So people want to believe that if they have lived a good and peaceful life, they will go to a better place when they die. They also want to believe that the people who have done wrong in their life will be punished. I think this is a great concept, and brings out the goodness in human beings. I however, do not find the need to follow a certain religion and worship a certain deity. The reasons for this being one, I can't convince myself that there is some all-powerful being that controls every aspect of our lives, and two, I don't want to live in fear of being punished eternally for making mistakes. I am human, therefore I make mistakes, and should not need to ask for forgiveness for being what I am. I can live a good life myself, without being forced to out of fear of punishment.

But, after all, those are simply my opinions. I do not mean to offend anyone, and I do not claim to know everything.
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Er, T_S_L, did you notice that you just stated Christianity? God doesnt control every aspect of our life, we have free will, we dont have to live in fer because God forgives anything. Normally, people regret mistakes that harm others or themselves, so its enough that God would forgive. Theres no need to go into self denial or get on your knees and pray... unless, of course, that you have no regrets when you hurt someone or yourself, but thats morally wrong, but thats just general opinion...
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Er, T_S_L, did you notice that you just stated Christianity? God doesnt control every aspect of our life, we have free will, we dont have to live in fer because God forgives anything. Normally, people regret mistakes that harm others or themselves, so its enough that God would forgive. Theres no need to go into self denial or get on your knees and pray... unless, of course, that you have no regrets when you hurt someone or yourself, but thats morally wrong, but thats just general opinion...
I agree with Joad. We do what we want, and God will forgive us if we are sorry. No big deal.
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There's been quite a few people who have been surprised when I say I believe in God. I guess it's just because of the kind of comments I make and my views on certain things.

I think God has a sense of humour, as well.
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