Yeah we're just a bunch of stupid animals.

Some of us less stupid than others but that's the idea

Well, you would have had to have been an animal in order to become a human, so figure that into your theory about the "eternal soul" of humans.

We all have ancient ancestory in our DNA.

Plants and animals......

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Between you and me, if there is no such thing as a soul.....

Then Im just along for the ride.....

This moment we are in, always has been and always will be.....
Right now is always happening somewhere....
And Im just thrown into existence....
Awakened...
Perception......
Illusions......
We all have the same spirit.....so I am the one...

After this is over....

Im born again somewhere in the pattern of the universe......

Would it be fair if I had a choice?

Oh I'll have a good life, and Billy will be born with Cancer.....yeah, that sounds fair, and animals?

Who cares they dont have souls.

Lucky me

Hold onto me

Find a way....to keep me.

Of course the soul exists!


If the mind is a purely physical object, then we should expect it to share properties that identical are to a physical object. After all, this is a basic property of equality (for you who have taken basic math). X = M if X contains the same properties as M. Substitute X with mind and M with physical.

Mind = Physical if and only if the mind contains properties that are true of physical things.

Great, moving on...

There are certain things that mental things do not share in common with physical things. For one, thoughts have what is called intentionality. They are of or about something. I have a thought about a car, I have a thought about RuneScape. Physical things do not seem to have intentionality true of them. Physical things are not about something. Moreover thoughts cannot be described by using biology or chemistry. My thought -about- this debate is not ten centimeters long, weighs one pound, or located in a jar.

My mental thoughts are also incorrigible, which means that I cannot be wrong about them. I may see a pink Zebra in a hallucination and be wrong, but I was not wrong about the thought that I saw a pink Zebra. You cannot know physical things incorrigibly.

Unlike other physical things, they are known only by me. A brain surgeon may open up my brain and know everything that there is to know about it, but he cannot know my thoughts. Private access does not seem to be true of physical things.

Therefore, mental states contain at least three things that are not true of physical objects. Therefore, the mind is not a physical object. They are what Christians call the soul.

Ergo, the soul exists.

For some reason my previous post here didn't register. So I'll post it again (sorry).
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Of course the soul exists!


If the mind is a purely physical object, then we should expect it to share properties that identical are to a physical object. After all, this is a basic property of equality (for you who have taken basic math). X = M if X contains the same properties as M. Substitute X with mind and M with physical.

Mind = Physical if and only if the mind contains properties that are true of physical things.

Great, moving on...

There are certain things that mental things do not share in common with physical things. For one, thoughts have what is called intentionality. They are of or about something. I have a thought about a car, I have a thought about RuneScape. Physical things do not seem to have intentionality true of them. Physical things are not about something. Moreover thoughts cannot be described by using biology or chemistry. My thought -about- this debate is not ten centimeters long, weighs one pound, or located in a jar.

My mental thoughts are also incorrigible, which means that I cannot be wrong about them. I may see a pink Zebra in a hallucination and be wrong, but I was not wrong about the thought that I saw a pink Zebra. You cannot know physical things incorrigibly.

Unlike other physical things, they are known only by me. A brain surgeon may open up my brain and know everything that there is to know about it, but he cannot know my thoughts. Private access does not seem to be true of physical things.

Therefore, mental states contain at least three things that are not true of physical objects. Therefore, the mind is not a physical object. They are what Christians call the soul.

Ergo, the soul exists.

No, it registered. Anyway, what you said is true, but what is a soul? The brain and the mind I keep separate. The brain is physical to me and the mind is what thinks and feels. Call it the soul if you want but it comes down to how you define soul.

What makes anyone think that our souls are eternal and seperate from our bodies? Don't animals think? That means they have souls as well. What makes their souls different from ours, if anything?

Yeah...

They do.

yes, they do. if you think that they dont what the hell is the point of life? and dont say that it is pointless, i refuse that notion.

So you base your argument that the soul exists on that life is pointless without it?

A mind is defined as a mental process. It is not physical.
The sum is greater than its parts. It is possible, through physical objects, to create this mental process.


Your argument is that one thinks, therefore one has a soul.
Will you admit to this?

It's possible. Memory deteriorates.

I believe that in time, if not waylaid, science will be able to do exactly what you say it currently cannot.

The quality of intangibility is not exclusive to souls.