Thanks, I needed the giggle I got from your post. Science is limited by our current technology but that's no reason eschew all science and believe a book that repeatedly contradicts itself and has no proof whatsoever. I'm curious as to you've come up with the idea that evolution is a scam.

The problem is when religious people get TOO into it. To me religion is a really personal thing that only affects me. What I think about the existence of God only affects ME. I don't have a "logical" explanation for it that "non-believers" would believe, but I also don't participate in debates about whether or not he exists because to me, my whole explanation is "I want to believe there's more when we die." If anybody attacks that, they're the (possibly close minded) dicks, not me.
But outside of that it doesn't really run my life. I talk about other things and hardly ever mention religion unless it's to attack the extremists. I don't care if someone believes in God or not. Good for you if you do, good for you if you don't. Be a good person/don't be an ass.

And that's a simplified post because there's so much more to it.

Nope. Man didn't invent gravity, the table of elements, or the movement of energy. We just discovered these things. Let's not get too carried away separating science from religion. Science isn't a philosophy but a system of facts (such as gravity) and strong ideas based on facts that we are not certain about but by no means ready to throw out, such as evolution.

I'm only saying this because because all throughout this thread that's the impression I was getting from everyone who was talking about science.

Let me rephrase...scientific principals and theories were created by man. Science itself was created by God.

Science wasn't meant to be separated with religion. Science goes very well with Christianity, in fact, but secular scientists of course through out all those facts.

I'm curious as to how you've come up with the idea that creationism is a scam.

The Bible does not contradict itself. People who attack the Bible and claim that it contradicts itself often pick very specific verses and compare them, without looking at the context that they are being used in. The more you read the Bible, the more you realize that it does not contradict itself. Try actually reading it for yourself instead of using information that you know from common knowledge. You might learn something...

You can believe what you want, but I'm telling you right now that the way of our God is THE BEST way to live life, on earth and off earth.

Ahh...Much better.

Exactly. The guys who wrote the Bible (who shall remain nameless since I don't know their names) wouldn't of just painted themselves into a corner even if it was all a scam, which I don't think it was intended as. I think we can all safely assume that they thought God was speaking to them, just like the prophets of all religions.

Read it all actually. I did learn sometthing from a lifetime of bible reading, I learned that if in fact "God" exists he's an egotistical being who does not deserve to be worshipped.

Crap I'm going to have to look egotistical up...I'm assuming that it means he has an inflated ego, from...you know...creating all matter, but i do think he could've managed without expecting people to worship him or sending them to hell and smiting countless people for being bad.

OK well I was right about the definition. Anyway, whatever your beliefs are, you'll think what you think, but an egotistical god is not necessarily a false one. You didn't say that but I'll throw that in there. Hell, Zeus had how many illegitimate sons? How many people did he fry in lightning? Of course, those gods were more like regular people who have a lot of power and have been around the block: wise but not perfect. Anyway, let's get back to the subject at hand here. We have a thread specifically for whether evolution is correct or not, and this is just about whether or not creationism should be taught in schools.

And I'll repeat: I'd be happy to study an alternative if we had one that was purely scientifically based.

I agree that egotistical doesn't necessarily equal false. Anyway, I don't think creationism should be taught in public schools. It's a religious thing and doesn't belong in government institutions. Private schools are the appropriate places for creationism to be taught. I also don't think that the current theory of evolution should be taught as fact. It's a theory, one that is based in science and needs updating as technology progresses.

Read it again with an open heart instead of looking for things to pick out that disprove Him.

There's nothing egotistical about God. He gives us life on earth and life eternally. He gives us free will. He gave his own son as a sacrifice to clear away our sins. That's so egotistical.

I did read it with an open mind and heart. I wasn't an atheist when I read it through the first few times.