Oh you're good.

What do you mean by that? Do you mean the odds of an existence not caused by a god are slim or that the odds of our scientific guesses being true are slim?

I think he means that the odds of existence that was generated through scientific principals or theories are very slim to none. Which is very true.

i believe they should b/c i am sick of having to sit in class and listen to a teacher talk about bullshit that i dont care for and dont believe just to get a 65 on the test b/c on the written essay thing part of the test i put i dont care because i am christian and i believe it is the bigest bullshit of a conspiracy/scam ever God made different species and not things to evolve yea we may have gotten smarter but i mean come on if you touch a stove burner when its on and it burns you dont you think youll know better then to do it again that is what i believe so it should be an alternative cource.

Yes, that is what I meant, basically.

Think of it this way. If you believe in Creationism, by those standards you have a 100% chance of being right. If you believe in Evolution and science, you have a trillionth of a billionth of a chance of being right, by the standards of science.

So what people are doing is thinking about one side in terms of that sides logic. If you can process and understand each sides logic within its own context, you will be able to make a good, unbiased, well thought out decision. If you believe in creationism, that refutes evolution, but if you believe in evolution, it refutes science. You have to analyze the system and prove it wrong within its own logic.

That is why I find evolution unlikely. Science tells me to doubt until I have received conclusive evidence, which I have not seen for evolution. Well if you calculate it scientifically, evolution is highly improbable, and there is too little information on it to call it a theory even. Where I feel people trick themselves is where they accept the logic of evolution inside of a bubble (well, it is possible, so it must be true!), instead of considering the actual facts within context.

Now when you consider Creationism, on the other hand, try to assume that what you are being told is true, rather than evaluate it from a scientific standpoint. Sure, science says that it is wrong, but only science has to play by scientific rules. Science defines itself, so if it is false, then its definition must be false as well. Creationism , instead of defining itself, just defines.

I feel that what has happened in society is that a whole lot of scientific-minded people now run the state, hence "separation of church and state". But instead of managing the state in a scientific manner, these people have also extended that logic into an area where it should not have been applied, education. This has caused a number of problems with American education, hence the whole brainwashing bit, the deterioration of the individual, etc. So I'm against it.

But if you want to read an interesting essay about the education stuff (its not about creationism or anything like that), I advise you to look into John Taylor Gatto.

thts the stuff mmmmm soo does nyone believe in evolution or what just wondering

lmfao. That is the funniest fucking quote I have EVER read. I don't care if I offend you, that is a horrible logic to use. How do you have a 100% chance of being right? Because it tells you its right? So by it (Christianity/Creationism/The Bible/Religion in general) telling you its the truth, it must be. Do you like magicians? Illusionists? It's all about the slight of hand. If I can get you to believe in something you can't see, you can't deny whether it exists or not. It does all come down to your willingness to have that belief. We will never see eye to eye on that point.

That's a whole lotta nothin' in that paragraph.

You and science talk often? One thing I'd like to point out here...

Where I feel people trick themselves is where they accept the logic of religion inside of a bubble (well, it is possible, so it must be true!), instead of considering the actual facts within context.

Ya see what I did there? Clever ain't it? Usin' your own logic there, eh?

Translation: Stop thinking.

Illusionists have no rules.

So you feel by PUBLIC education allowing people to learn about the theory of evolution they have been BRAINWASHED into not believing in Creationism? In Christianity. You're against the separation of church and state? YOU wouldn't have left England then? That's the whole fuckin' reason we came across the ocean was to get away from religious persecution. So hell yes, public schools should teach you alternate view points from the norm. Because thats what education is. Getting outside you're illusionist bubble. They teach you its a theory, they don't put a gun to you're head and force you into submitting to their will. But religious police states do.


Edit:This whole debate comes down to a belief. To quote Chris Rock from Dogma, "Why can't we all just have 'ideas'...an idea is easy to change, but people die for beliefs."

I know Hatchet just did that to you (dissected your post) but I'm going to have a go at it anyway. You know, like how the wolf pack feeds on the remains when the alphas are done. So science says that until you have proof you can't just believe something to be true. That's because science doesn't want to mislead people. Religion, on the other hand, tells you that if you don't believe it to be true, you will endure terrible tortures in the afterlife for an eternity. Religious outlooks could be true because all you have to do to come up with them is look around, see what is there, and come up with that god put everything there. The theory of evolution looks passed that to try to explain things by looking around and thinking a lot.

And this thread isn't about belief. The evolution thread is. This one is whether or not you think creationism should be taught in schools as an alternative even though it is a matter of faith and if you go to church or Sunday school they will teach you creationism with no alternative. Therefore, if you believe in god and you think that creationism is true, believe that. If you think Darwin had a point, believe or at least consider evolution as fact, but I don't think schools are responsible for teaching children how to have faith in Christianity.

Don't like this. At all.

If you believe in Evolution, you believe in evolution. Just because it has a small, minute chance of actually happening to a planet, doesn't mean anything. If you believe in evolution, and you see yourself sitting here reading the forums, wouldn't you think you were correct in believing in evolution?

If something has a small chance of happening, but does happen, how does that change one's views of whether it happened or not.

Yes, confusing. I hope you get what I'm saying. And I'm only feeding the debate that is off-topic to what I wanted.

The others have done a fantastic job of destroying your ridiculous logic apart so i will just add one thing. Anything that requires total faith based only on itself, with no supporting evidence, is a scam. It really boggles my mind that perfectly intelligent people would accept things solely on the basis that a book says it. Where's the evidence? Where are the scientifically tested theories?

Not everything can be tested through science. Science was created by MAN. God is WAY above man.