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In Darwin's time, when he first published his findings, people wanted him imprisoned! It was blasphemy! It wasn't until after his death that people rethought his belief.
Well but of course. New ways of thinking are never greeted with open arms. I'm not going to argue on the basis of evolution here, since this thread is about what schools should and shouldn't teach. And we seem to agree that in public schools at least, evolution should be taught.
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I don't necessarily think that it should be taught, since I don't believe in it. However, I do realize that schools are going to continue to teach it, but I just hope that students are offered alternatives so that they can decide for themselves instead of being brainwashed.
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I don't necessarily think that it should be taught, since I don't believe in it. However, I do realize that schools are going to continue to teach it, but I just hope that students are offered alternatives so that they can decide for themselves instead of being brainwashed.
So just because you don't believe in it means it should not be taught? Besides as mentioned beforescientifically- as Evolution is pretty much ONLY taught in science classes- there barely is any real proof toward Creationism.

And seriously, you kids are being brainwashed? In all my science classes so far they have ade it clear that it is just a theory.
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Maybe in your science classes, but in Florida, they want it to be taught as FACT.
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I don't necessarily think that it should be taught, since I don't believe in it.
but mka addressed it already.

So, unoriginal thought in this thread: Evolution should be taught. Creationism too.

Original thought in this thread (I think): I think some people spend way too much time debating/arguing how we got here and not enough time debating/arguing what we should do now that we are.
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I think some people spend way too much time debating/arguing how we got here and not enough time debating/arguing what we should do now that we are.
lol..nice.
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Original thought in this thread (I think): I think some people spend way too much time debating/arguing how we got here and not enough time debating/arguing what we should do now that we are.
I copied that, ready for pasting, before I saw that Hatchet already quoted you. Anyway, I do think that we spend too much time debating the sciences that don't mean as much to the modern world, such as evolution, and not enough time researching how to make our world less crappy. Don't even argue. It's crappy by Utopian standards. We'll never reach a Utopia but we can come close.

That's pretty irrelevant, though. I will, however, offer up a counter to AJ's post. The concept of evolution and whether or not it is right has its own thread, but this is about whether or not schools should offer a religious belief as an alternative. I'll give you this: they do tend to teach kids the theory as fact rather than a probable idea, but there is a lot of evidence. Creationism doesn't have too many holes in it because all you have to do to come up with it is look around and say that god put everything here and invented all of this life. Evolution, however, we can't really accurately track because it takes way too long to actually have a species evolve in front of our eyes.

Perhaps schools should not teach evolution as fact, but their jobs are to teach science based on fact, not religion based on faith in a greater force. If there is another scientific theory about how we got here and what came before us, they should teach those theories as well, but as it stands, I don't think any real change is necessary.

Also, you can't say that school is brainwashing kids into believing in evolution without offering any alternatives so they can decide for themselves what to believe. Church and Sunday school, by that logic, should start offering Hinduism as an alternative, and since they are telling kids about creationism, they can come to their own conclusions.

And not to dunk myself in meat sauce and throw myself in the lion cage of a zoo, how did all these fossils and dinosaur skeletons and all that get in the ground if we were all created a few thousand years ago and no records suggest that there were humans as well in with the dinosaurs? Again, all I'm really doing in saying that is challenging the scientific aspect of creationism rather than the faith aspect.
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Also, you can't say that school is brainwashing kids into believing in evolution without offering any alternatives
You can't. Because the alternatives are private schools and/or the private teachings your parents pass down to you. Religion is one of those personal things that is typically inherited from your parents.
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Maybe in your science classes, but in Florida, they want it to be taught as FACT.
Even then, saying that it is brainwashing kids is stupid. Even you should know that most older kids believe what they want, not what they're told.
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You can also argue whether a 2 thousand page ancient document is more proof than a 2 thousand (or two million) year old rock. I don't find enough evidence on either end to justify teaching any of it. The odds, statistically speaking, are greater that a bunch of dinosaur-shaped rocks were formed somewhere on the earth than that we came into existence in the first place. To put it simply, the odds of scientifically-generated existence are astronomically small.

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