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Hatchet isn't necessarily negative. The thing that sickens me is being called negative because I talk about how the government has failed, or how the corporations basically rule our society, or how animals are treated cruelly, or how people are dumbed down, etc, and I'M seen as the negative one, where someone who just buys into society isn't. It is being realistic. Sure, some things might only be conspiracy theories (though I doubt many of them are), but if you read anything that isn't manipulated by the corporate agenda, then you'll see that what Hatchet or myself believe in is strongly grounded in knowledge.

Hatchet is doing something. What do you expect him to do? You think him going out and doing something by himself, because the amount of people who will do anything is very small, will do anything at all? We are all part of the problem AND the solution. This is frustrating for me because my whole ideology is based around needing people to contribute. He talks about the issues at hand and so do I. We can't have a coup d'etat if I'm standing outside alone against riot cops, holding a garbage can as a shield while they have riot gear on.

You calling Hatchet negative is you calling me negative because me and Hatchet agree on quite a bit. We have the same basic goals, though there is always room for debate even among those who have common goals and ideas.

I didn't read everything that has been said in here because it seemed like a personal argument but I skimmed and knoxbox, some of the things you are saying are on a completely different level than what Hatchet (or I) would think on. We, roughly, want a collapse of the structure we live in now, so a new, better structure can be built.

Unfortunately we need everyone to do this, and if we get apathetic SOMETIMES, well that's human nature. When the odds are against you then it gets upsetting, but (and I'm speaking for myself here), I drag myself out of it. Constantly.
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The thing that sickens me is being called negative because I talk about how the government has failed, or how the corporations basically rule our society, or how animals are treated cruelly, or how people are dumbed down, etc, and I'M seen as the negative one.
That's it. Exactly.


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maybe think positive... might change your life.. never know give it a try...
I'm all about the power of positive thought. Have you ever heard of metaphysics? I believe we have the power to alter our own realities. But if everyone buys into the society we're told is "normal", then that is what becomes normal. Group consciousness (or unconsciousness), is a very influential thing.
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tradition is influential....
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Some traditions are fine, some are not.
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People don't like change. We just like to suffer through life, bitching and moaning about how poor our society was when we inherited it from the last generation, and hope that some day someone will change it for the better.
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I'd be one of the few doing anything, so what will I accomplish?
First of all you kicked in the bold too late. Secondly, especially in a community, I think one person can accomplish plenty. The problem is, everyone has to cooperate with you for there to be any change, and you have to deal with obstacles such as money and permits and petitions or whatever, depending on what you trying to do and how you are going about it.

OK, maybe you can't do anything alone, but one person can lead a community and if they are willing to help you can do...something. I don't really know what. Build a...something...or have a law made or changed or abolished.

Back to the concept of community. Is it meaningless in today's world? Mostly. People might know each other in a community, but it's not like we all work together to improve the community. We expect the town/city government to send out people to do it for us. Now let's say someone's house burns down. Sure, the whole neighborhood may pitch in to help, but I think that keeps to TV for the most part. I mean, a few people may help, but otherwise you might just move on with your own life. I don't know how you would really define a community and a sense of a community, but there's what I have so far.
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I like watching you try to figure out your own thoughts.

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I like watching you try to figure out your own thoughts.
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Well I wasn't insulting him.
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Well I wasn't insulting him.
i didn't specify... just thought it was humorous but most of your comments are!
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First of all you kicked in the bold too late. Secondly, especially in a community, I think one person can accomplish plenty. The problem is, everyone has to cooperate with you for there to be any change, and you have to deal with obstacles such as money and permits and petitions or whatever, depending on what you trying to do and how you are going about it.
Isn't that hypocritical?

You think one person can accomplish plenty, but it takes more than one person for any change to be done?
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