check out this movie, America: Freedom To Fascism

[googlevideo]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198[/googlevideo]

p.s. i know this probably doesn't belong here, but i have a feeling eventually it would've been moved here anyway...that is to say of course, that people actually form and opinion on it instead of putting it off

I haven't watched it yet because I don't have time but the title reminded me of situ inspired beliefs. And this definitely does not belong in the thread but situationists (even though they don't refer to themselves as such) believe that boredom is caused by work/capitalism zapping our creative energy so to speak, which makes sense. Maybe not on the surface but just consider the idea for a while, and also consider that a large part of situationism is a "war on art" kind of thing. It was born out of an artistic movement. "Live without dead time." Another nice situ quote is "Be realistic, demand the impossible."

But anyway.

What a load of BS. Bankers and the incredibly rich manipulating government--Where does that not happen. The 16th Amendment a conspiracy? It was passed in 1913 with 2/3 majority and was a great achievement because it lowered tariffs and allowed the government to expand while giving decent wages to the employees. Don't tell me that you actually believe any of it.

you don't? you can't honestly tell me that lobbyists and corporations don't run the show

and if its BS...show me the law on income tax, i'll be waiting...

Before FDR moved to pass the 16th Amendment, the US Supreme Court declared income tax legislation unconsitutional. THEREFORE, the US Constitution was amended for the sixteenth time to specifically create a new federal law to tax personal income.

Of course special interest--big business-- has a strong influence in the government. It has always been there since the creation of government. It is NOT a conspiracy; most citizens choose to ignore the actions of the elite who give the poor the shaft.

yes there is an amendment but the point of the movie is that it was never ratified by enough states to pass, yet they passed it anyway

"If examined [The 16th amendment] carefully, you would find that a sufficient number of states never ratified that amendment."
~James C. Fox, U.S. District Court Judge, 2003

the federal reserve act was passed during the holidays, when most where on leave, and also by bribing senators

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is now controlled by its system of credit. We are no longer a government by free opinion, no longer the government of convection and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men."
~Woodrow Wilson, 1919...the President who signed the act (federal reserve act) into law

like you said, it was considered unconstitutional at first, and it should still be, but somehow in 1913 it got in, the same year that the movie claims that the Bankers bought us out

i find it funny that numerous IRS employee's have quit after months of research because they couldn't find the law and yet you come up with a answer within hours...if you want to pay taxes i'm not going to stop you, but you should know that its unconstitutional to tax labor

big business has NOT always been there since the creation of government, in fact thats what the founding fathers tried to disassociate our government with because they realized it would lead to tyranny..

"The founding fathers were well acquainted with the fact that government is the enemy of Freedom, that those wielding governmental power despise petitions from the People; the representatives of the People, in a popular assembly, seem sometimes to fancy that they are the People themselves and exhibit strong symptoms of impatience and disgust at the least sign of opposition from any quarter."

"..first, the question we are dealing with here is not whether the government has the power to tax, but whether the government is abusing its constitutionally limited power to tax; and second, there is the question of whether the government is using the tax revenue to effect other abuses of its authority."
~Schulz Speech: No Answers, NO Taxes.



p.s. keep ignoring the wealthy elite, they'd have it no other way

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Of course big business wasn't tied with the government during the revolutionary era. Big business wasn't truly created until the 1880s. Special interest has changed in the span of 230 years. Special interest is a small group of people who represent a specific goal which only relates to themselves. Examples of special interest groups throughout history are large plantation owners, land speculators, railroad barons, the China Lobbyists, and of course big business.

The founding fathers were pissed because they had to pay revenue tax to the British government after the French and Indian War. The British government was going bankrupt at that time and figured since the American colonies were part of the British Empire that the Americans should pay some more taxes.

and you don't find it possible that those people, who control so much of the nations currency wouldn't eventually hold all of it? or create so much product that somehow we had to create more currency to buy all the new product? thats what the Federal Reserve is, they create money that really has no value because money is a receipt for gold, and currently we have more receipts then gold

we've become a nation of credit, exactly what the founding fathers wanted to avoid

I do not believe you. Prove it.