Welcome, Guest. Register Now!
   
Mark Forums Read Mark Forums Read Mark Forums Read



Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02-04-08, 11:38 PM
Novice
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 17
Thanks: 0
Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts
nodoubt is on a distinguished road
Johan Santana

Johan Santana is now a Met, and the American League hitters are rejoicing. Any Twins fan, however, has to be scratching their head thinking about how little the team got in return for one of baseball’s best pitchers. How can things have gone so badly in conversations around the league that the best package of players the Twins could come up with didn’t even include the best prospect from the Mets farm system?

Other teams around the league have to be echoing these sentiments. There are at least a dozen General Managers out there wondering why they didn’t get a chance to steal Santana if he was going to come that cheaply. American League GM’s realize this was about getting Johan out of the league, so there frustration is far more muted. In the National League, however, everyone from the Dodgers out in Los Angeles to the Braves in Atlanta have to be wondering why they didn’t at least make a call. A team like the Cubs, for instance, has been in talks with Baltimore about Erik Bedard from time to time, but you know they would prefer Santana at the same cost in talent.

In most circles around baseball it is being widely agreed upon that the Twins took far less than equal value back in this trade. Whether this is the best value they could have gotten isn’t even really a question, as both the Red Sox and Yankees were reported to have offered more. The question really is was this the best option for the Twins. Was getting the best pitcher available out of the league worth the loss in value. This isn’t any easy question, but has two completely separate answers. To avoid the potential of a Red Sox staff anchored by both Santana and Beckett was, quite frankly, worth whatever it took to avoid. Those two young pitchers would have been such a devastating force for years to come that it didn’t make sense to let it happen.

On the other side, taking the Yankees offer might have made more sense. The Yankees don’t have any pitcher that has proven he can be as dominant as either of the previously mentioned pitchers. For this reason alone, the difference in value was far less worthwhile in this situation. Perhaps the Yankees had pulled there offer completely, and the Twins were left scrambling and took whatever they could get. If that is the case, however, this was one of the biggest mistakes in Twins history. Perhaps not the trade itself, but the way the entire situation was handled. Allowing them to get backed into that kind of corner trying to trade arguably the best pitcher in the game is a mistake that won’t soon be forgotten by Twins fans left waiting for the prospects that may never arrive.

Told you I wasn’t done geeking out, my husband is so proud.


This advertisement is only visible to guests. Register for free to remove it!
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to nodoubt For This Useful Post:
AJ (02-05-08)
  #2  
Old 02-13-08, 07:44 AM
Justin.Robar's Avatar
Post Junkie
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
Posts: 702
Thanks: 46
Thanked 43 Times in 38 Posts
Justin.Robar is an unknown quantity at this point
Send a message via MSN to Justin.Robar
Default Re: Johan Santana

I would just like to point out that the Twins have signed Livan Hernandez (1yr/$5mil) to try and fill the gap in their rotation.

If I were the Cubbies, I would be shitting bubbles about getting a lefty with as much strikeout power as Bedard. He's an immediate Cy Young candidate in Chicago.

This was definitely about getting Santana out of the AL. Even though he only won 15 games last year, he's STILL the best pitcher of this millenium.

Let's take a look at what the Twinkies got for Santana. OF Carlos Gomez, RHP Deolis Guerra, RHP Kevin Mulvey and RHP Philip Humber.
-Gomez is a sophmore OF, only got 125 AB last season in 58 games, hitting .232-2HR-12RBI. Not exactly great ROTO numbers. Playing a full 162 game season, he would only have been on pace for 6 long balls and about 40 RBI. Still, not great numbers. BUT, he stole 12 bases in those 58 games, putting him on pace for over 35 on a full season. The Twins are a young, fast team who will likely use Gomez as a rotate LF (even though he is a RF by nature - but the Twins have Cuddyer there) with Delmon Young, rotating Young with Kubel at DH.
-Guerra is an 18 year old prospect who, despite struggling last year, averages about 6.5 K/9, and has a career WHIP under 1.2. Much the same for Mulvey, 22, but his BB/9 (2.5) is a bit better than Guerra's (3.4). Mulvey is the better prospect of the two, but neither are garbage.
-Humber is a former 1st round draft pick (#3 overall in 2004), but has had relatively bad numbers in his big-league career - 5 GP, 1-0, 6.00 ERA / 1.33 WHIP, 4K-3BB. But you can't argue with being a #3 overall pick. Given a fair shake, Humber can make an impact, even potentially setting up closer Joe Nathan behind Pat Neshek.

So really, the Twins got decent guys for Santana. They're rebuilding.

Signature Separation

"Lemme tell you somethin' you already know. The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a mean, ugly, nasty place. And I don't care how tough you are, it will beat you down to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it! You, me, or nobody is gonna hit as hard as life. But it ain't about how hard you hit. It's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward. How much you can take, and keep moving forward."
-Sylvester Stallone as Rocky Balboa, Rocky Balboa, 2006.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-19-08, 08:51 PM
thexfactor's Avatar
Post Junkie
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Wellsville
Posts: 803
Thanks: 4
Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts
thexfactor is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to thexfactor
Default Re: Johan Santana

i hate basball broke my jaw when i got beamed in the face

Signature Separation

Does this defining silence mean nothing to no one but me?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02-19-08, 09:00 PM
AJ's Avatar
AJ AJ is offline
[Set custom title in User CP]
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: South Florida, USA
Posts: 3,438
Thanks: 222
Thanked 59 Times in 51 Posts
AJ has disabled reputation
Default Re: Johan Santana

OUCH! That would hurt so bad.

Signature Separation

He has showed you, O man, what is good.
And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God.
-Micah 6:8 NIV
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-19-08, 09:01 PM
thexfactor's Avatar
Post Junkie
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Wellsville
Posts: 803
Thanks: 4
Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts
thexfactor is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to thexfactor
Default Re: Johan Santana

i think the pitch was clocked at 84 mph

Signature Separation

Does this defining silence mean nothing to no one but me?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-19-08, 09:06 PM
AJ's Avatar
AJ AJ is offline
[Set custom title in User CP]
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: South Florida, USA
Posts: 3,438
Thanks: 222
Thanked 59 Times in 51 Posts
AJ has disabled reputation
Default Re: Johan Santana

Wow. I couldn't imagine that. Did you get knocked out?

Signature Separation

He has showed you, O man, what is good.
And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God.
-Micah 6:8 NIV
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02-19-08, 09:08 PM
ComputerDude's Avatar
[Contact Kovich for custom title]

 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 1,358
Thanks: 14
Thanked 20 Times in 18 Posts
ComputerDude is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to ComputerDude Send a message via Yahoo to ComputerDude Send a message via Skype™ to ComputerDude
Default Re: Johan Santana

I would imagined he did. I got hit with a baseball in the back of the head once and I passed out.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 02-19-08, 09:12 PM
thexfactor's Avatar
Post Junkie
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Wellsville
Posts: 803
Thanks: 4
Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts
thexfactor is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to thexfactor
Default Re: Johan Santana

ya when i woke up in the hospital it hurt so bad the out me in a mediclly induced comma for 3 days....

Signature Separation

Does this defining silence mean nothing to no one but me?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02-19-08, 09:16 PM
AJ's Avatar
AJ AJ is offline
[Set custom title in User CP]
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: South Florida, USA
Posts: 3,438
Thanks: 222
Thanked 59 Times in 51 Posts
AJ has disabled reputation
Default Re: Johan Santana

WOW. Now that is an experience I bet.

Signature Separation

He has showed you, O man, what is good.
And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God.
-Micah 6:8 NIV
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 02-19-08, 09:52 PM
ComputerDude's Avatar
[Contact Kovich for custom title]

 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 1,358
Thanks: 14
Thanked 20 Times in 18 Posts
ComputerDude is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to ComputerDude Send a message via Yahoo to ComputerDude Send a message via Skype™ to ComputerDude
Default Re: Johan Santana

now you can say that you have been in a coma
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
baseball, johan santana, mets, trade, twins


Make Money Online

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:01 PM.


1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42