This has been one of the most hotly debated movies during my experience on forums, which is the sign of a great movie.

Anyway. Talk about it.

Wow, you like it too, Obdurate? Cool.

I like how the movie touches on a million different ideas/theories, much like life itself does. Roger Ebert called it fascist and yes, at times it does indeed touch on fascism but in the same scene it could touch on the polar opposite, like anarchism. Some people argue that the movie reaches the point of saying nothing at all because of how much it touches on but I don't think that's true at all. Sitting on the fence and throwing shit on both sides is still doing something.

It touches on subjects like "a generation of men raised by women." Which is pretty self explanatory really, but an interesting contrast is how they use something called a fight club to enlighten themselves, which is a very manly thing to do. (I hate the term manly or womanly, I'm just using it for the sake of argument).

The biggest theme however, is commercialism/consumerism. How we are slaves to it. It touches on this extensively, especially in one scene. Some people feel that they shouldn't have used big actors (Brad Pitt/Edward Norton) in it because it defeats the purpose, but even the casting choice makes sense. They're both good actors, and... Brads character Tyler is supposed to be everything Edwards character wants to be, and Brad Pitt is very much the way his character describes him as. Not to mention, arguably more popular than Edward Norton.

That's enough for now, I'll reply later to myself, but this is why this shoulda been MotM.

I've never seen this movie, but it seems to be pretty interesting. I'll have to rent it now.

You moron, it's just another Hollywood movie. It's also sexist, considering there's only one girl in it that matters at all, and tons of guys.

So? Who cares if it's Hollywood? Like it ****ing matters who makes it? Like Hollywood can't make good movies? Hollywood isn't the only thing around but good movies do still come outta there. David Fincher is an amazing director and he did wonderful things with Fight Club.

It's not sexist, the girl plays an important role, so even though there's a lot of men, they're not as important.
A lot of people are turned off by the name Fight Club, as well, expecting it to be some lame mindless action/fighting movie but there's barely any fighting and it all serves a purpose.

It was offensive to people because of the punches in it... but how many people die in a typical Hollywood action movie? Exactly.

I never said that.

I wasn't even thinking of you.

I've watched the first hour or so of it now ... I downloaded it and I am watching it on my PC.

Alright, I just finished watching Fight Club. From all the themes in this movie, I especially enjoyed the one dealing with his Haiku he wrote and shared with the rest of his coworkers.

The Worker Bees Can Leave
The Drones Can Fly Away
The Queen Is Their Slave

I love this poem. It fortifies the theme of the American Dream. Ever since we were kids, we've been told that we can become anything we want to be. We aspire to become filthy rich or to be famous. Because of this dream, we work hard everyday with the thought in the back of our head that we will soon be appreciated by those above us and we will be promoted to a higher position. But, the "Queen" is nothing without her workers. The workers may come and go as they choose, but the Queen has no say in the matter, in the end. Without workers, what is the Queen? Just another worker.

So what does the Queen do? Keeps those workers working. They don't get to move up the ladder because the Queen would be nothing without them. This basically shatters the workers' American Dream of becoming successful.

When Tyler pretends to rob the convenience store, he ends up threatening the clerk to pursue a veterinarian career or Tyler will kill him. From what I got, this kinda goes along with this theme. We don't need those higher on the ladder telling us to work harder and faster and better. We already know this. We don't need motivation from those higher than us. We need motivation from those on the same rung as us. The same situation.

Anyways, I loved how they touched on that theme in itself. I know theres more, but that was my favorite. The more I think about it, the more I get from the movie. Good recommendation.

Now that you've seen it, I wanna point out something Hatchet said that made me laugh. As you know, I was replying to myself in this thread (the plot twist in the movie, y'know), and, to make things even funnier... my real name is actually Tyler.

I like what you pointed out too. I've always liked the store scene because it urged him to do something with his life besides get caught up in the shitty dayjob. It's a really positive message... be who you want to be.
But you gotta remember, and this complicates a lot (and ties in with you talking about the Haiku), that this is really biting satire. There is a theory (and believe me, I've considered a lot of them and still don't know exactly what I take from the movie, so anything I've said in this thread is just how I felt at the moment) that the satire is in how at first, Ed Nortons character needs a change, then he gets it, but then he realizes how absurd it is. So the movie winks at itself because it knows it's ridiculous. That complicates any theories you have if you consider that.

How this ties in with the Haiku is simple: the Haiku itself is a joke. It may be a joke that has depth like you said, but can you imagine someone at a workplace like that sending Haikus to everyone? It's a really funny concept. The film is a very dark comedy, s'why I love it.

And read the book since you liked the movie. It's by Chuck Palahniuk. The ending is 10 times better than the film but I'd say the film and book are pretty equal in every other way. Slightly different but y'know, that's adaptations for ya. The ending in the movie is incredibly effective but very Hollywood-ish. The ending of the book has a humourous conversation with God.