PureTalkForum Debate and Discussion Forum http://www.puretalkforum.com/ Participate in debates, discussions and heated arguments, meet new people online and customize your profile. Express yourself! en Thu, 17 May 2012 12:32:59 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.puretalkforum.com/images/misc/rss.png PureTalkForum Debate and Discussion Forum http://www.puretalkforum.com/ Scary Russian Amusement Park Ride http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10614-Scary-Russian-Amusement-Park-Ride?goto=newpost Wed, 16 May 2012 20:58:57 GMT Scary Amusement Ride (gadling.com) Video Of The Day: Scary Russian Amusement Park Ride by Libby Zay (RSS feed) Wednesday 5.16.12. Divo...
Scary Amusement Ride
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Video Of The Day:
Scary Russian Amusement Park Ride
by Libby Zay (RSS feed)

Wednesday 5.16.12.
Divo Ostrov (Wonder Island) amusement park in St. Petersburg, Russia, seems a little bit off...

http://www.gadling.com/2012/05/14/vi...6pLid%3D161244

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* I'm having tech issues bringing the video up.
Can someone tell me what's going on with the ride and how scary ? *
]]> Chit Chat ash1280 http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10614-Scary-Russian-Amusement-Park-Ride Teen arrested after homework left at crime scene http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10613-Teen-arrested-after-homework-left-at-crime-scene?goto=newpost Tue, 15 May 2012 21:16:06 GMT Teen arrested after homework left at crime scene
The Associated Press

Monday 5.15.12.
OREM, Utah (AP) — An 18-year-old Utah man was arrested on suspicion of burglary after police say he left his homework at the crime scene.

Police in Orem say they tracked a USB drive found at the burglarized home to Dallas Naljahih. They say the computer hard drive contained his homework and was in a backpack abandoned in the backyard.

A 75-year-old man and his wife reported their home had been burglarized early Saturday. The husband says he was woken up by a light in his office, and found a man who was looking through a desk.

The suspect punched the man and fled on foot.

Police say that Naljahih was found asleep at his house along with evidence connecting him with the burglary.

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* Would of made a good excuse when asked what happened(or why did you forget your homework ?) to the homework. * ]]> Chit Chat ash1280 http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10613-Teen-arrested-after-homework-left-at-crime-scene Teen arrested after homework left at crime scene http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10612-Teen-arrested-after-homework-left-at-crime-scene?goto=newpost Tue, 15 May 2012 21:11:08 GMT Teen arrested after homework left at crime scene The Associated Press Monday 5.25.12. OREM, Utah (AP) — An 18-year-old Utah man was arrested on... Teen arrested after homework left at crime scene
The Associated Press

Monday 5.25.12.
OREM, Utah (AP) — An 18-year-old Utah man was arrested on suspicion of burglary after police say he left his homework at the crime scene.

Police in Orem say they tracked a USB drive found at the burglarized home to Dallas Naljahih. They say the computer hard drive contained his homework and was in a backpack abandoned in the backyard.

A 75-year-old man and his wife reported their home had been burglarized early Saturday. The husband says he was woken up by a light in his office, and found a man who was looking through a desk.

The suspect punched the man and fled on foot.

Police say that Naljahih was found asleep at his house along with evidence connecting him with the burglary.

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* Would of made a good excuse when asked what happened(or why did you forget your homework ?) to the homework. * ]]> Chit Chat ash1280 http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10612-Teen-arrested-after-homework-left-at-crime-scene <![CDATA[Jesse's Journey.]]> http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10609-Jesse-s-Journey?goto=newpost Mon, 14 May 2012 16:14:41 GMT Let me tell you, Jesse hated this job. And you would too, I imagine, if you had to do it.

Jesse was a chicken plucker. That's right. He stood on a line in a chicken factory and spent his days Pulling the feathers off dead chickens so the rest of us wouldn't have to.

It wasn't much of a job. But at the time, Jesse didn't think he was much of a person. His father was a brute of a man and treated Jesse rough all of his life. His older brother wasn't much better. He was always picking on Jesse and beating him up.

West Virginia. Life was anything but easy and he thought life didn't hold much hope for him, which is why he was standing in this chicken line,

In addition to all the rough treatment at home, Jesse was always sick. Sometimes it was real, but way too often it was all in his head. He was a small child, skinny and meek which didn't help the situation any.

When he started to school, he was the object of every bully on the playground. He was a hypochondriac of the first order, and tomorrow wasnt always something to be looked forward to But, he had dreams.

He wanted to be a ventriloquist. He found books on ventriloquism. He practiced with sock puppets and saved his hard earned dollars until he could get a real ventriloquist dummy.

When he got old enough, he joined the military. and even though many of his hypochondriac symptoms persisted, the military did recognize his talents and put him in the entertainment corp. That was when his world changed. he gained confidence.

He found that he had a talent for making people laugh, and laugh so hard they often had tears in their eyes. Yes, little Jesse had found himself.

You know, folks, the history books are full of people who overcame a handicap to go on and make a success of themselves, but Jesse is one of the few I know of who didn't overcome it. Instead he used his paranoia to make a million dollars, and become one of the best-loved characters of all time in doing it!

Yes, that little paranoid hypochondriac, who transferred his nervousness into a successful career, still holds the record for the most Emmy's given in a single category.

The wonderful, gifted, talented, and nervous comedian who brought us

Barney Fife was Jesse Don Knotts. ]]> Chit Chat JustmemyselfandI http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10609-Jesse-s-Journey of fear and rage http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10608-of-fear-and-rage?goto=newpost Mon, 14 May 2012 13:45:18 GMT I've been looking at things in the last few years and it seems that the country is beset by fear of change and the rage of frustration in those that think change hasn't come soon enough. I think both of these two reactions are setting America on a collision course with itself. Something has to give in order for us to move forward. I think the whole world is at a tipping point and what survives out of this will color the world for the next 100 years.

How can we all diffuse this so that we can begin the next 100 years without totally devastating one another and carry on this hate fest, between the left and the right into the next millennium. Sacrifices have to be made. I've said that before but it seems there are too many desiring their own little piece of the pie. ]]> Political Affairs JustmemyselfandI http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10608-of-fear-and-rage High Tech Vs; Mysticism http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10607-High-Tech-Vs-Mysticism?goto=newpost Mon, 14 May 2012 13:03:23 GMT High Tech Vs; Mysticism *What if any would be the difference between magic and high tech to those not accustomed to such devices? Could their ... High Tech Vs; Mysticism

What if any would be the difference between magic and high tech to those not accustomed to such devices? Could their presence be kept under wraps to an entire society and what would be the fail safe if this knowledge were inadvertently revealed.

I am in the process of writing a Sci-fi story about this very thing and would like to set up the discussion by explaining the storyline. This is not a discussion on religion or spirituality. It is the use of such things, by a more advanced civilization to ensure loyalty by those they which to control.

The entire thing is about a world inhabited by felaniod creatures who are indoctrinated into a cult orientated police state and are born and breed to slavishly reverence to a supreme entity . They are told, there is no higher honor than to lay down their lives for this being and are trained from the time the are able to pick up a weapon, to fight.

Their society is based on a hierarchy of the lawgivers on the top.
Immediately below them are The Devotees that run what passes for police worldwide. Then comes the Breeders, who are actively encouraged to higher and higher production of infants. Those who produce more are taken care of by the state and gain more praise and honor as they continue.

Those who are born are schooled in mystic schools from the time they can remember that their only worth is to serve the being and to fulfill their honored duties as his son's and daughters. Those who the lawgivers deem worthy are destined to be the warrior class in service to their supreme being. Those that don't hit the mark are designated as breeders and are quote/unquote encouraged to mate with as many mates as possible and are held in high honor for doing so. The state does the rest.

These creatures of the warrior class train until they are called to service, usually between 14-20 . At which time they must enter into the gates of paradise paradise which is a massive gated city, high in the remote mountainous area of their planet. No one other than those chosen may enter utopia or even get within the foothills unless they are called. Those that attempt this are engulfed in holy fire from the invisible guardians defending the path. Of those that are chosen only gain additional wisdom in the use of holy garments and, after a time ascend into heaven by huge flaming chariots of metal. Those that ascend, never return.

In reality the entire planet is a breeding ground for warriors crafted, mind and body for a technologically advanced race that claim to be supreme beings. These beings use these creatures as cannon fodder in an ageless galactic war, who's enemies are designated as Evil and the Felanoids are thrown at them in service of what they think are Gods. They are trained and armored in high tech armor and are sent into battle with warrior priests that seem to have mystic power of magic.

What the story centers around a skeptic that witnesses the death of one of these Warrior priests, and finds out that their mystic power is only a high tech contraption that misfires and kills everyone in his unit, except for him

He escapes a hostel after a failed attempt at killing him and heads towards the planet of his birth to reveal the fraudulent nature of the culture itself. The story, I'm writing deals with his exploits and the exploits of those sent to silence him.

I have some ideas, but they really seem like they've been hashed over in earlier books. ]]> JustmemyselfandI http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10607-High-Tech-Vs-Mysticism Lincoln, Nebraska LGBT Ordinance http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10606-Lincoln-Nebraska-LGBT-Ordinance?goto=newpost Sun, 13 May 2012 20:06:20 GMT So, apparently there was some ordiance in nebraska they were trying to pass concerning some (Not sure exactly what) manner. And some lady with a... So, apparently there was some ordiance in nebraska they were trying to pass concerning some (Not sure exactly what) manner.

And some lady with a hat gives a rather.. strange speech.

Link.

I'm just not even sure what to say. Totally flabbergasted.

Her speech includes such gems as:

"The California board of education said last year that children in San Francisco had the worst scholastics, failing all subjects in all grade levels. They cry all day and rape each other heteral(?) without being told not to." ]]> Current Events Zaleramancer http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10606-Lincoln-Nebraska-LGBT-Ordinance <![CDATA[Happy Mother's Day 2012]]> http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10605-Happy-Mother-s-Day-2012?goto=newpost Sun, 13 May 2012 17:41:53 GMT


Wishing all the moms a Happy Mother's Day.
Don't forget to make dinner !
]]> Chit Chat ash1280 http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10605-Happy-Mother-s-Day-2012 $1 million jackpot six times http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10604-1-million-jackpot-six-times?goto=newpost Sun, 13 May 2012 00:26:18 GMT Phoenix-area man hits $1 million jackpot six times The Associated Press Saturday 5.12.12. PHOENIX (AP) — A suburban Phoenix man made a lucky,... Phoenix-area man hits $1 million jackpot six times
The Associated Press

Saturday 5.12.12.
PHOENIX (AP) — A suburban Phoenix man made a lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky, lucky guess in a recent multistate lottery game.

An Arizona Lottery spokeswoman says the Glendale man claimed six $1 million prizes after purchasing six Powerball tickets with the same winning numbers late last month.

The tickets were good for a half dozen second-place prizes. And he picked up his $6 million in winnings over the course several visits to the Arizona Lottery's headquarters in Phoenix.

Lottery spokeswoman Karen Bach says the man doesn't want his identity released.

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* I can barely win a dollar from a instant rub off ticket let alone a mil...lol.
This is one or I should say 6x lucky individual. * ]]> Chit Chat ash1280 http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10604-1-million-jackpot-six-times What is the most important question in philosophy? http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10603-What-is-the-most-important-question-in-philosophy?goto=newpost Sat, 12 May 2012 17:14:51 GMT I was reading about philosophical branches, but then I had to make a small research on Google to answer my question and I found something, that has... I was reading about philosophical branches, but then I had to make a small research on Google to answer my question and I found something, that has been especially interest of mine since early ages:

> "The Münchhausen Trilemma, also called Agrippa's Trilemma, purports
> that it is impossible to prove any certain truth even in fields such
> as logic and mathematics. According to this argument, the proof of any
> theory rests either on circular reasoning, infinite regress, or
> unproven axioms."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._in_philosophy

It been a gut feel of mine, that philosophical and theological debates can never really give a cut down answer to questions. I've cometh to that conclusion simply by observing debates, mine and others. And my conclusion on disagreement is that, from opponents view of point he is right and from my view of point I am right. That is the end stop.

Other reason for my conclusion is that thinking, thus logic itself, is apart from actual world in some way that is hard to explain, but I'd say its unreal dimension compared to physical dimension. Any word can mean any thing in the world, there is no definite correlation between words and real events or objects. It means we need to define and deal with rules. And that's all we can do. We can't for example make sure premisses, rules and definitions are right and truthful, because its fundamentally just an agreement.

Now one could say, you shouldn't make agreement based just on assumption. But the problem is, that we you go to define assumptions and premisses, it can take "forever" to define something, because there is unlimited combinations of words and meanings we can create -> circular reasoning, there is no end stop.

So I'm interested to hear, what is the most important question in philosophy and is Agrippa's Trilemma solved yet? ]]> markom http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10603-What-is-the-most-important-question-in-philosophy $12 fare http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10601-12-fare?goto=newpost Thu, 10 May 2012 20:41:19 GMT NY man with $5,000 refuses to pay $12 fare The Associated Press Thursday 5.10.12. SYRACUSE, N.Y. (AP) — Police say a New York man who refused to...
NY man with $5,000 refuses to pay $12 fare
The Associated Press

Thursday 5.10.12.
SYRACUSE, N.Y. (AP) — Police say a New York man who refused to pay a $12 taxi fare was carrying more than $5,000 when the cabbie drove him around looking for cheap cigarettes.

The Post-Standard of Syracuse reports (http://bit.ly/IZjvk6 ) that a 68-year-old man had the driver take him to two stores on Monday. Each time he came out empty-handed, saying the price of cigarettes was too high.

When the man had the cabbie take him to a third store, the driver asked for the $12.40 fare. The passenger refused to pay and told the cabbie to call police over the issue.

According to the newspaper, the arrest report says the man became uncooperative. Police handcuffed him and searched his pockets, finding more than $5,000 in cash.

The man is now charged with theft of services.

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Information from: The Post-Standard, http://www.syracuse.com

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* More money you have the less you want to spend *
]]> Chit Chat ash1280 http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10601-12-fare Naked unicyclist charged http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10600-Naked-unicyclist-charged?goto=newpost Thu, 10 May 2012 20:36:23 GMT Naked unicyclist charged for distracting drivers The Associated Press Thursday 5.10.12. KEMAH, Texas (AP) — Police say a man arrested in a... Naked unicyclist charged for distracting drivers
The Associated Press

Thursday 5.10.12.
KEMAH, Texas (AP) — Police say a man arrested in a Southeast Texas city for riding his unicycle in the nude was distracting drivers and creating a hazard.

Kemah (KEE'-muh) police Chief Greg Rikard (RY'-kurd) says 45-year-old Joseph Glynn Farley was not intoxicated or impaired when he was arrested Wednesday on a bridge in the city 20 miles southeast of Houston.

Rikard says Farley had been falling off the unicycle and into traffic.

Farley told officers that he liked the feeling of riding without his clothes, which were found at the base of the bridge.

Police charged Farley, of Clear Lake, with misdemeanor indecent exposure. Bond is set at $1,500.

Online jail records did not list an attorney for Farley.

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* Cyclist forgot to put clothes on before riding.
Problem solved. * ]]> Chit Chat ash1280 http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10600-Naked-unicyclist-charged Neon Museum In Las Vegas http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10599-Neon-Museum-In-Las-Vegas?goto=newpost Thu, 10 May 2012 20:31:04 GMT The Neon Museum In Las Vegas, Nevada by Libby Zay (RSS feed) (gadling.com) Image:...
The Neon Museum In Las Vegas, Nevada
by Libby Zay (RSS feed)
(gadling.com)



Thursday 5.10.12.
Since 1996, volunteers have devoted their time to preserving the legacy of the disregarded signs of Las Vegas, keeping them in a dusty, three-acre lot dubbed the "Neon Boneyard." Wander around and find dead casino marquees, unlit wedding chapel signs and bygone used car billboards scattered about like noodles in alphabet soup...

http://www.gadling.com/2012/05/09/mu...6pLid%3D159461


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* Imagine if the neon signs could talk.
Thousands of casino players go under and pass the signs.
Hundreds of celebrities entertained.
Classic Las Vegas remembered. *
]]> Chit Chat ash1280 http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10599-Neon-Museum-In-Las-Vegas Flip-Flopping http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10598-Flip-Flopping?goto=newpost Thu, 10 May 2012 11:35:20 GMT Why is flip-flopping considered a terrible thing?

I don't have the same opinions and thoughts on issues that I had when I was 18, when I was 30, or even a year ago. I feel that over time, my thoughts and feeling evolve.

Have your beliefs been static?

That being said, I do understand why political pandering is viewed negatively. I'm just wondering if the media is really using the wrong words. Pandering seems a little more inflammatory, but it's also closer to the truth. ]]> General Debate MalloryObKnoxious http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10598-Flip-Flopping Consciousness is an individual product of a biological organism? http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10597-Consciousness-is-an-individual-product-of-a-biological-organism?goto=newpost Thu, 10 May 2012 06:08:35 GMT This is the place to give a definition to consciousness first of all. Conscious means a state of being aware, which comes from the Latin base word... This is the place to give a definition to consciousness first of all. Conscious means a state of being aware, which comes from the Latin base word scire (sciō) meaning "to know" or "knowledge". Other derived words from scire are science and conscience. On the other side Greek counterpart for the verb "to know" is gnosis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosis, which has a very probable root on Sanskrit word jnana (gñāna). I'm lifting this up to show that traced meaning of the word we use here has a pretty mystical background. And perhaps by this reason, we give consciousness a very mysterious meaning, like a magic soup that is flowing in us, our brains or in the world around us. I'd like to take a different point and view the mystery of the word coming partly from the "everlasting and doomed" efforts to define something that has no clear objective by limited and mixed words AND stubborn way we want to maintain the mystery for the word. Mystery itself is kept because of three reasons:


  1. we experience ourselves as a self-conscious persons (strong)
  2. religious and cultural teachings coming from the environment where we live in (medium)
  3. philosophical discussions about definitions that becomes pointless by the nature of logic based on language (weak)


I will go little deeper only to the first point. 2nd is the burden we get away pretty easily by education and 3rd is not so important thou it could raise a whole new topic to explain and prove what I mean with it.

First case relates to mind, soul, Spirit and awareness topic. Until it is empirically proved that conscious exists outside of the person (brains) itself, there are no reasons assume otherwise. Its true there are a lot of stories in west (miracles, clairvoyance, OBE, near death experiences and so forth) and east (sadhus and yogis, meditation and monks) that gives interesting material for research, plus modern theories on quantum field gives new dimensions, but we still stick on open questions. No definite proofs has been provided that soul, spirit, mind or consciousness exists but in our body only.

I say in our body, because I cannot deny that we experience consciousness, being aware of self (I am) nevertheless. Explanation for this comes from purely biological perspective. Sensory (five senses) system attached to a complicated electro-chemical neural network memory called brains gives an illusion of self-awareness by recursive and predictive signal transmission.

Inner talk, imagining, day and night dreams, all are reflections of memory signaling back and forward on brain and sensory system interface. This is nicely explained on Jeff Hawking's "On Intelligence" book, chapter 7 "Consciousness and Creativity": http://www.onintelligence.org/ Topic is blogged on: http://brianandrewsauthor.com/2012/0...-intelligence/ for example. In a way western and eastern mystics, that say the world and (some dare even to say) also the very self itself is Maya (illusion), are correct. They may add some other extensions to the fact, like oneness and bliss that can be experienced in spite of Maya. But they are not really proof of conscious being other than single mind product in a single person body.

Now from this point of view the characteristics of consciousness are subjective, memory dependant, temporal and changing, illusive, yet developing to some extend we don't really know yet.

And yes, the word consciousness is very fundamental and practical to discuss on topic like this. It would be almost impossible to replace it with other descriptive word and still maintain focus and be understandable. ]]> markom http://www.puretalkforum.com/showthread.php/10597-Consciousness-is-an-individual-product-of-a-biological-organism